American Cars or European Cars?

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 04 Feb 2008, 11:38

IIRC, Aston are now owned by Prodrive - an independent UK firm responsible for the WRC Imprezas, as well as limited edition Imprezas, RX8s and even DB9s. Land Rover are owned by Ford. Not even Lotus are British anymore, theyre owned by Proton...although technically, Proton only own the contract to Lotus, they have very little to say/do with the production of Lotus' new cars.

powerof1000 · Post by **powerof1000** » 04 Feb 2008, 12:03

Me

's Euro cars.

Post by **TheStig** » 04 Feb 2008, 18:53

If I am not mistaken McLaren is still private. and Wikipedia agrees with me.

Aston Martin is not owned by Prodrive, it is owned by a group of Kuwaiti investors, and it's lead by Prodrive.
But they are not the owners.

The last gen US sportscars is getting better, have to admit that, and they are thinking more about countries outside the US when they build their cars, wich is good.
But the chances that european sportscar buyers will massively fall for the US sportscars like the corvette, Viper and Mustangs is very small.
We are fairly patriotic when it comes to cars and rather buy european high end sportscars, and japanese and european entry sportscars.

TS-X · Post by **TS-X** » 04 Feb 2008, 19:13

My all time favorite car is DB9. So there isnt much to think about this question.
But even without this one car... all other OWN big time.

khm Jag E-type... khm Italian supercars, khm German perfection... khm khm khm

SKYLINEHUNTER55 · Post by **SKYLINEHUNTER55** » 04 Feb 2008, 23:00

The most popular county with cars be manufactered here in England is COVENTRY.

xHaZxMaTx · Post by **xHaZxMaTx** » 04 Feb 2008, 23:10

The Mustang, Corvette and Viper are entirely different classes of car. The Mustang really isn't anything special, unless you're counting the GT500. If I bothered counting how many Mustangs I see a day, I'm sure it would easily surpass 20. Apparently Roush Mustangs aren't that special, either; they're all over the place, here. There are two Roush Mustangs within 5 minute's walking distance of my house.
Corvettes are much less common (and for good reason $$), though that's not to say that they're uncommon. From what I understand, Corvettes are fairly respectable when it comes to sports cars and the 'special editions' (Z06 and whatnot) are on par with some of the more prestigious European sports cars.
And Vipers are just for people with more money than brains.

I've only ever seen one SRT10 on the road and a handful of earlier models, and I'm glad - Ugly as sin. Beside that, it's got that 'RAWR HORSEPOWER' mantality giong on. Sure, you can make a lot of smoke, and it's damn fast in a straight line, but it just doesn't stack up against the competition.

Of the three - if I had a choice - I would pick the Corvette every time. Most bang for your buck, methinks, and - as previously mentioned - it is damn sexy.

(Please keep in mind that I, in no way, shape, or form, did any research prior to typing this post, so I'm just pulling stuff out of my bumbum and going on personal opinion.

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Koenigsegg_Rox · Post by **Koenigsegg_Rox** » 05 Feb 2008, 13:20

TheStig wrote: We are fairly patriotic when it comes to cars and rather buy european high end sportscars, and japanese and european entry sportscars.

Same with Australia, every second car I see is either a Holden or Ford.

SKYLINEHUNTER55 · Post by **SKYLINEHUNTER55** » 05 Feb 2008, 21:18

Koenigsegg_Rox wrote:
TheStig wrote: We are fairly patriotic when it comes to cars and rather buy european high end sportscars, and japanese and european entry sportscars.
Same with Australia, every second car I see is either a Holden or Ford.

I mostly see a Honda, Porsche, Ferrari, Bentley, Aston Martin and other Japaneese cars/ Italian/British Supercars up here in England, mainly in the London Area.

chimpzrl · Post by **chimpzrl** » 06 Feb 2008, 01:56

We have almost no European cars here, except for some bottom-the-line Jags, if you can count them. Everything is either American or Japanese, and usually quite old.

donaldgladden · Post by **donaldgladden** » 06 Feb 2008, 03:42

i see bentlys and rolls royces every single day of the year. But i live within 2 minutes of a Mercedes repair shop

baumaxx1 · Post by **baumaxx1** » 07 Feb 2008, 02:03

Euros. Technology leaders and refined.

SKYLINEHUNTER55 · Post by **SKYLINEHUNTER55** » 07 Feb 2008, 21:24

I don't live that far from a Supercar garage as I can walk it there Loads of Enzo's and Murchelago's down there.

Striker94 · Post by **Striker94** » 20 Feb 2008, 12:44

mate, learn how to spell Murcielago...

I picked Europeans, not because of their supercars, but because of their NORMAL cars, which are actually affordable, and still retain some presence of luxury and class...
American family cars are generally not very well buil, made for mass-production rather than high-end quality. Even their famous Mustang and Covette, though powerful, have cheap plastic interiors and rather crude innards...

Speaking of supercars, I love the Z07 and the new ZR1. THey're VERY cool, and a quick glance at the interior tells me that they're making some progress...

However, in present day they are no match for German/British/Italian cars. Do the Americans have a 'sleeper', like a Audi RS6???????????

xHaZxMaTx · Post by **xHaZxMaTx** » 20 Feb 2008, 21:46

Heh, the Ford Taurus SHO and Buick Grand National were probably considered sleepers.

baumaxx1 · Post by **baumaxx1** » 21 Feb 2008, 00:13

Striker94 wrote:American family cars are generally not very well buil, made for mass-production rather than high-end quality. Even their famous Mustang and Covette, though powerful, have cheap plastic interiors and rather crude innards...

Not to mention the prehistoric chassis and suspension... The mustang is a "sports car", but what kind of sports car has live axle suspension.

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 21 Feb 2008, 08:36

baumaxx1 wrote:Not to mention the prehistoric chassis and suspension... The mustang is a "sports car", but what kind of sports car has live axle suspension.

A drag car.

Drag racing is a sport, no?

baumaxx1 · Post by **baumaxx1** » 21 Feb 2008, 12:52

Not really, live axle cars can't put power down well... and does it even have a diff?

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 21 Feb 2008, 13:11

baumaxx1 wrote:Not really, live axle cars can't put power down well... and does it even have a diff?

Maybe you should read up on "How cars work" or something like that

Then come back here and re-evaluate what you just typed.

Post by **TheStig** » 21 Feb 2008, 17:48

Bogan is right,

A live rear axle is better for streight line performance, because it's stronger then a independent suspension system.
But they suck compared to a fully independent system when it comes to corners
Missing a LSD isn't a problem in drag race eighter, it's usefull in corners, and last time I checked there are not corners in a drag race.

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 22 Feb 2008, 09:13

TheStig wrote:Missing a LSD isn't a problem in drag race eighter, it's usefull in corners, and last time I checked there are not corners in a drag race.

Most drag cars will have a locking or locked diff, like a Detroit locker or spool/minispool, however those kinds of diffs are not really streetable. And as you said, there are no corners so it doesn't matter.

But if I understood correctly, baumaxx is saying that live-axle cars don't have a diff at all, which is preposterous.

baumaxx1 · Post by **baumaxx1** » 22 Feb 2008, 11:14

Ok... I follow circuit racing more... so don't know that much about drag cars... full on dragsters do have solid axels though... All I saw of the mustang was top gear- wheel spin, bogging down and no traction

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 22 Feb 2008, 11:31

Well, I guess that technically a locked diff is not really a diff, but it is usually made using diff parts. If that makes sense . . . I see what you mean anyway. Still, live rear is definitely a better option for straight line performance.

With the Mustang, it probably just comes down to poor setup (for cornering). A well-tuned live rear can even out-perform a bad/average IRS setup.

Striker94 · Post by **Striker94** » 22 Feb 2008, 13:48

yeah,do any jap cars have live rear axles? (I don't think so...)

They might as well design one, as they are supposed to be the champions at drifting...

donaldgladden · Post by **donaldgladden** » 22 Feb 2008, 13:49

so is a Corvette 2 dimensional? As in, can it manage to be at a decent heads-up race and also able to take corners in a SCCA race?

The only thing that got me in the earlier posts about the mustang is about how they arent setup for taking turns. I watch speedvision during the racing off-season a awefull lot, and the SCCA runoffs just happen to be on and the class that was racing, were Mustangs. The new mustangs, older 00 mustangs and the 5.0 mustangs. Not to mention firebirds and etc. This class wasnt a racing class but a showroom stock class which means the cars cant have any mods unless it's a decent age. But even then you can only have a aftermarket exhaust on.

And the New mustang won. Along with a 5.0 coming in 3rd

@Striker: not anymore. American cars are owning Japanise cars over here. D1GP wont even allow the viper and mustangs to compete in Japan.

Striker94 · Post by **Striker94** » 22 Feb 2008, 13:54

are you serious?

wow, big suprise! (really)

Well, not to offend anybody, but that proves even more that the axle issue is a major problem affecting grip, traction and steering. That being said, a skilled driver may be able to use this to his advantage...

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