Bugatti Veyron

steelsnake00 · Post by **steelsnake00** » 05 Jun 2007, 22:18

Because large engines are heavier, have more bulk to them and are therefore less likely to blow up. They have very large cylinder capacity and as such are more suited to an optimum Nitromethane/Fuel/Air mix. Technically, a V12 or W16 would be best for top fuel but they're prohibitively expensive. Above all, the big V8's are used because they're readily avaliable.

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 05 Jun 2007, 22:29

yes readily available , usually more durable although they get rebuilt after each run. and they create more power

xHaZxMaTx · Post by **xHaZxMaTx** » 05 Jun 2007, 22:32

darknight788 wrote:and its not sluggish at all you can be cruising along being very calm and then floor it and before you know your wrapped around a tree.

Fix'd.

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 05 Jun 2007, 22:38

that could happen with anything ... even a mx-5

xHaZxMaTx · Post by **xHaZxMaTx** » 05 Jun 2007, 22:40

Never said it couldn't, but it sure would be a helluva lot easier in one of your Hennesy Vipers. You floor it in one of those and you'd probably just start spinning around in circles.

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 05 Jun 2007, 22:45

well typically the people who drive them know what they are doing and it is not wise to floor it as your very expensive tires will be gone. why do you think it only gets like a 10 second 1/4 mile its because they are feathering the throttle until they reach fourth gear. i have heard the things can roast the tires going 100 mph
its not a high school graduation gift it is something that is meant to go fast and you have to know what your doing.

xHaZxMaTx · Post by **xHaZxMaTx** » 05 Jun 2007, 22:50

I'm not the one who said to floor it while cruising, you are.

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 05 Jun 2007, 22:55

are you talking about a hennessy viper or normal one ? if you floor it in a normal one from a dead stop you will roast the tires if you floor it going 60 mph you might chirp them. in the hennessey viper if you floor it from a dead stop your tires will be gone and if your floor it going 60 your will also melt your tires and probably spin out.

You floor it in one of those and you'd probably just start spinning around in circles.

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 05 Jun 2007, 23:53

^^Coming from someone whose never driven one, and has no experience driving powerful cars.

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 06 Jun 2007, 01:07

^^ coming from someone that has no idea what i have done .

i have driven one a couple of times fyi including my fair share of porsches,corvettes, bmws, etc

xHaZxMaTx · Post by **xHaZxMaTx** » 06 Jun 2007, 01:09

You've driven a Hennesy Viper?

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 06 Jun 2007, 01:39

no ive driven a viper. BUT i have watched a few videos of a hennessey viper doing a standing mile by car and driver and they cant floor it until they reach 3rd to 4th gear no lie, and it does burnouts on demand. that is why the 1/4 mile times arent so great for something that has so much power, it was hard for the driver who was a professional to launch the car(s) without melting the tires off as they were high po street tires.

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 06 Jun 2007, 10:30

Id be interested in watching these videos, and if they show throttle positions.

1000bhp would melt the tyres? Wow, it must be a real miracle then that drag racing as a sport even exists, given that even a lot of the pro-street cars have at least 3-400bhp more than that. It must also be a miracle that the Veyron can do it on street tyres.

Watching videos of something doesnt make you an expert opinion on the matter. As for Porsches etc...none of those have the power to spin the wheels in 3rd at 60mph, so what are you talking about? You might get a chirp in the wet from the Vette, and maybe the BMW depending on the model...

Koenigsegg_Rox · Post by **Koenigsegg_Rox** » 06 Jun 2007, 10:59

Speaking of the Veyron, this IS A VEYRON TOPIC, NOT A HENNESSEY VIPER TOPIC!

steelsnake00 · Post by **steelsnake00** » 06 Jun 2007, 13:00

Koenigsegg_Rox wrote:Speaking of the Veyron, this IS A VEYRON TOPIC, NOT A HENNESSEY VIPER TOPIC!

Shut up.

darknight788 wrote:^^ coming from someone that has no idea what i have done . i have driven one a couple of times fyi including my fair share of porsches,corvettes, bmws, etc

Obviously not driven them properly, as from what I recall you attempted to make out that a big, nose-heavy, RWD, sluggish Viper was somehow a better drive than a lighter, smaller and much more composed 911.

Koenigsegg_Rox · Post by **Koenigsegg_Rox** » 06 Jun 2007, 13:37

You know what, I haven't been here all that long and already I'm sick of you. Right back at ya, a-hole!

steelsnake00 · Post by **steelsnake00** » 06 Jun 2007, 13:43

Koenigsegg_Rox wrote:You know what, I haven't been here all that long and already I'm sick of you. Right back at ya, a-hole!

Good for you. I ain't gonna be leaving anytime soon.

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 06 Jun 2007, 23:33

Grez~Supra_RZ-S wrote:Id be interested in watching these videos, and if they show throttle positions.

1000bhp would melt the tyres? Wow, it must be a real miracle then that drag racing as a sport even exists, given that even a lot of the pro-street cars have at least 3-400bhp more than that. It must also be a miracle that the Veyron can do it on street tyres.

Watching videos of something doesnt make you an expert opinion on the matter. As for Porsches etc...none of those have the power to spin the wheels in 3rd at 60mph, so what are you talking about? You might get a chirp in the wet from the Vette, and maybe the BMW depending on the model...

if you have ever been to a pro street drag race not the kind with any sort of euro engine you will notice that they run drag slicks, those are usually only for the 10 second or faster cars though. the veyron is AWD which explains alot ,and the veyron is also pretty heavy. what i dont get with the veyron why does it take 4 turbos to make 1000 hp when the viper makes equal or more hp and alot more torque with two turbos. watching the vid might not make me an expert but there was also a story behind it all. i will try to find the vid if i can its on car and driver

Koenigsegg_Rox · Post by **Koenigsegg_Rox** » 06 Jun 2007, 23:42

That is a good question. I think that maybe the Viper had a lot more upgrades done to it than the Veyron, and along with the 4 turbos, the Veyron needs 16 intercoolers to keep the temperature at a normal level.

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 06 Jun 2007, 23:43

darknight788 wrote:
if you have ever been to a pro street drag race not the kind with any sort of euro engine you will notice that they run drag slicks, those are usually only for the 10 second or faster cars though. the veyron is AWD which explains alot ,and the veyron is also pretty heavy. what i dont get with the veyron why does it take 4 turbos to make 1000 hp when the viper makes equal or more hp and alot more torque with two turbos. watching the vid might not make me an expert but there was also a story behind it all. i will try to find the vid if i can its on car and driver

The last I heard (before Mr Hennessey p*ssed off 99% of his customers), they put radials on the Viper. A lot of cars here, in street trim or not, run some sort of slick at the track. 1000bhp in an AWD car takes a lot more engineering than an equal amount of power in a RWD car.

Glopaticki · Post by **Glopaticki** » 06 Jun 2007, 23:59

I'm pretty sure the veyron runs 4 smaller turbos compared to the Vipers two massove ones. And i'm pretty sure there is alot left in the veyron engine than 1001hp.

Cheers

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 07 Jun 2007, 00:01

well yea you have to qorry about grenading the center differential, i think it has one but maybe not.
and i believe i said this before i dont like hennessey he has bad business practices, heffners is a much better tuner.
the 10 second or faster cars run drag radials, the classes below the 10 second range run any form of street legal tire

here is that article on the hennessey viper standing mile at 218 mph and a couple other cars. the least amount of horspower in the test was 505 hp. http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/cou ... chart.html

i dont know how far you wuld want to push the veyron or really even why ? its got enough radiators though that i would be cautious with mods but again .... why ?

steelsnake00 · Post by **steelsnake00** » 07 Jun 2007, 13:49

darknight788 wrote: i dont know how far you wuld want to push the veyron or really even why ? its got enough radiators though that i would be cautious with mods but again .... why ?

I don't know why anyone would want to bolt to enormous turbos onto a Viper and make it even more undrivable (in anything other than drag) than it already was.
Like it or not, the Viper's chassis wasn't built to take 1000+bhp. It CAN do so but it does render the car almost undrivable, which has been said in just about every review I've seen on them.
Goes well in a straight line, but utterly undrivable on anything else.

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 07 Jun 2007, 19:44

ok thats your opinion im done arguing about stupid stuff, many others are completely different i can assure you
and what does your qoute have to do with what you said

steelsnake00 · Post by **steelsnake00** » 07 Jun 2007, 20:19

Because you're making as stupid statement, and I'm matching it with a similar statement which appears to be stupid but isn't.
The Veyron has the potential to make significantly more power than if does, but there's absolutely no point. The people who feel their cars BHP is a doodle extention won't be able to afford to buy one because they've spent the best part of their lives living in trailers with their parents and engaging in sexual acts with farmyard animals.
Similarly, theres no point to bolting two enormous turbochargers onto a Viper, which areadly has too much power for it's chassis (note use of word chassis rather than suspention setup); all it would mean is the car would become undrivable.
In essence, I'm saying this. No-one in their right mind would mod a Veyron because it's already as powerful as it would ever need to be. Anyone who wanted to challenge one at the lights must have a brain smaller than his doodle, and a very small doodle for thinking BHP was the be-all, end-all.
Similarly, no-one in their right mind would mod a Viper because it's a crap chassis that can barely deal with it's standard power, and making it even more undrivable is almost as stupid as challanging a Veyron at the lights.