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T-Shine · Post by **T-Shine** » 31 Mar 2004, 17:35

GT3x24x7 wrote:LOL!! That's why I like 'em anyways!! Still lacking a decent spoiler tho..

LOL the current is way too big

Don't you think?

Post by **GT3x24x7** » 31 Mar 2004, 19:05

Well, you know me - bigger is better! I wanna go bigger again!!

Seriously tho - if UrQ or anybody knows much about these little beasties, I'm interested to know. I mean they're built like 30km from where I grew up and I know absolutely jack about them!!

Post by **TheStig** » 31 Mar 2004, 20:20

I will try to help...
got the Jane's Navel book but my girl has it onboard.... but luckely the ship is in port now so I can probably get it soon....

for the people who don't know what the Jane's is....
it's THE book for all military stuff , got a Landwarfare book a Naval book and a Airforce book and even a spacetravelbook (all nasa stuff andso (but is classified so...)
in these books you can find all ships over the world (naval book oscourse...) and everything they carry and so...

so as soon as I find info I let you know,
ill also try to find pics on my comp... got like 1200 pictures of Navyships and Planes (also Airforce planes ofcourse) so maybe I got some

UrQuattro · Post by **UrQuattro** » 31 Mar 2004, 20:56

i got tons of pics of ships and subs.. I know the latest thing (about 15 yr old) is when they use water propulsion instead of screws. I think Typhoon does that.

And here is a 'spoiler' for you GT...

Another one is Delta4, a monster of a sub, with an old design but enough nukes to destroy a continent...

Dragon-of-Rune · Post by **Dragon-of-Rune** » 31 Mar 2004, 21:45

Here's a sub for fun

not for war.

Post by **TheStig** » 31 Mar 2004, 21:52

the worse thing abut those Russian Subs... is that half of them are rotting in harbours... and creating dangers...
I love military hardware but don't like the way Russia is treating it..

UrQuattro · Post by **UrQuattro** » 01 Apr 2004, 01:34

ture stig. i still think that they finance what's necessary, and only let the old stuff rot. everthing new they keep ok. but yeah, if it goes on as did last 10 yrs, than it can be dangerous...

Remember that Airctaft career story last year? Wheh Russia sold some old aircraft career shell, to Turks or something, and they were towing it through black sea an dit snapped off the tugs and kept drifting for like a week before they cought it.. Freaking hillareous.

Post by **TheStig** » 01 Apr 2004, 02:41

yep... well there are lots of stupid mistakes...

heard of the french carrier the Charles de Gaulle???
well everybody knows the french where bad ship builders but this one beats all....

they made a carrier 10 meters to short and found out at test landings...
and at a trip to the us it lost of its srews.... how week is that...

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hot sauce · Post by **hot sauce** » 01 Apr 2004, 06:50

TheStig wrote: they made a carrier 10 meters to short and found out at test landings...
and at a trip to the us it lost of its srews.... how week is that...

sorry mate i dont understand what you mean??? can you explain?

Summ · Post by **Summ** » 01 Apr 2004, 10:51

As far as I know, Ruskies are continet ppl with a strong naval force in subs (though they've been let rotting in the past years, as you all have well said) and a pretty scarse airforce flying some of the finest aircrafts in the world. Sukhoi and Mikhoyan are proportinally better than the american fighters, yet the pilots flying those things ... are crazy as hell ... just see the numerous crashes during the past airshows ... all russian. Yet if I recall right, while USA has some 15 carriers (corret me if I'm wrong, never got into ALL US Carriers) the Kuznetsov should be the one and only carrier the Russians have. No wonder, since the Mig 29 K and SU-33 are the only two modified aircrafts adapted to be able to land on them. The russians don't seem to focus on outwards warfare ... not through carrier groups at least, they prefer using long range missiles ... with good reason. Russians were the first to send a rocket into the space, and have always been better at engineering ... specially when it comes to engines and thrust.

Stig - I've got the "Jane's Enciclopedia of Aviation" ^^ and have spent ... 10 years of my life concentrating on flight and aircrafts

love them. There's nothing you can't find in Jane's lol ... I loved their flight sims as well ... got USAF and F/A-18 Simulator myself ... a bit outdated, but still #1. Only thing getting near them today is Lock On ... too bad it's such a memory slug.

KekumRulez · Post by **KekumRulez** » 01 Apr 2004, 10:52

Hot Sauce wrote:TheStig wrote:

they made a carrier 10 meters to short and found out at test landings...
and at a trip to the us it lost of its srews.... how week is that...

sorry mate i dont understand what you mean??? can you explain?

I guess Stig means the carrier was 10metres to short for landings.... In other words: The plane landed on the carrier, and at the end of the ship it fell of.

For the screw thingie: I think he means the screws wich make the boat go forward (as drive).

Right Stig?

Post by **GT3x24x7** » 01 Apr 2004, 14:02

That's the way I understood it, Kekum...

UrQuattro · Post by **UrQuattro** » 01 Apr 2004, 21:21

Russia's Kuznetsov, I doubt it's the only one. The Moskva, which was just recently remodified, repaired and put into service is a flagship of the Black Sea Fleet (if I'm right).

And contrary to many ppl's belief, Russia was never much of an agressor past Stalin, and I doubt it will ever want to start a WW3, in it's common sense (I think we are already in WW3, slowly getting into it - Chrisitian vs. Radical muslims - where will that lead I don't want to think about). All of Russia's nuclear forces are aimed precisely at responding to any threats, not attacking anyone. In this sense, America is starting to scare me a bit, with it's all over the world ambitions and war on anyone who's not with them.

PS> Screws are the term used for propellers.

Summ · Post by **Summ** » 01 Apr 2004, 22:22

As I previously stated, I wasn't quite sure about it. I just only read about the Kuznetsov, and never heard about other carriers of russian manufactoring. Somewhere I also read that it was the only one ... but it might just be BS, as you suggest urQ.

I agree that Bush has only further pushed America towards the global police status, and that in some way we either ARE or will be in a third World War. I can only hope we are, and that it can't get worse than this. For now they are fighting a ghost war, where they cannot respond to the muslim attacks ... you cannot prevent them either, that would mean to whipe out evry single muslim in the world, else there is no telling which is fanatical enough to try something. I only hope anger and feeling of retribution against those muslims provoking such calamities against the western world these days, doesn't trigger something bigger than can be handled.

A couple of immages of the US carriers to compare with the other ships
Those Nimitz class carriers are around 330 m long and 76 wide ... 100.000 ton of weigh when fully loaded ... impressive is little I guess...

Post by **TheStig** » 01 Apr 2004, 22:35

yep.. btw the planes did not fall off... but... it was to short for US planes to land and they diferted to other landing spots...
weird people the french...

btw did you guys know that one of the best... if not the best ships and naval weapons are build and designed in The Netherlands...

the most advanced Fregat is the Dutch ZevenprovinciÃ«n Class...

it can even see the B2 stealt bomber... no more unseen steath planes for us....
and the best air defence weapon "Goalkeeper" is also a dutch design
wich is a radar guided 7 bareld weapon wich can shoot 4200 rounds in one minute....it can shoot down missiles, planes and track multiple targets at the same tame and examin the treath....

and all that from one little country

ooh and GT I asked my brother about info for the OZ subs and he will try to find info... (he has been in the Airforce and navy...most of the time in the navy btw thats how I get all my info..

Summ · Post by **Summ** » 01 Apr 2004, 22:41

uhmmm ... how the heck can it spot the B-2??? :S The plane's architecture and radar absorbing materials are what they are ... and it's been invisible to any radar this far ... incoming radar waves get either distorted when reflected, or absorbed ... those that don't get absorbed are dispersed by being reflected in all directions
... how can it work?

Post by **TheStig** » 01 Apr 2004, 22:51

it makes it look like a bird to a radar so a normal radar will clutter it away... but... this radar looks at the speed and it will see it goes faster then a bird so makes it a bigger echo.... every radar can detect speed but no one ever thougth of using it...
ofcouse it is more complicated then that... but to make it easy to understand... it is all convidential... so dunno the exact stuff and if I did I could not tell...

the radar can also detect if it is a commercial plane... even what kind it is...
good dutch engenering... eh???

the old ship here you see next to it is the predisessor.. it is out of servise after 30 years and it's radar could see the F117, but the yanks denied it was ever there... ever long deniel...

UrQuattro · Post by **UrQuattro** » 02 Apr 2004, 01:08

Peter the Great, Russia's navy current flagship, one of the 'old school' huge battle cruisers, @28000tons displacement, 2 nuclear reactors. Part of Russian Northern Fleet. Had some unfortunate beginnings with Norwegian plane crushing very closely, and 5 tech crew memebers killed while in construction transportation. Since in in official service though, it was ok.

Post by **GT3x24x7** » 02 Apr 2004, 01:10

I guess it's just as they say, 'shiznit happens on the big jobs...'

UrQuattro · Post by **UrQuattro** » 02 Apr 2004, 01:30

funniest shiznit that happened was that the admiral of the fleet just like 2 weeks ago said " the ship is ready to blow up in any moment" -- later he said it just needed some living quarters repair, and gave a short list - things that contained meaningless crap like 'pictures used only 1 screw to hold them, so when the ship was in heavy seas, they all hang incorrectly - thus we need to pin them to the wall in 4 points' type of thing. Idiot..

Post by **TheStig** » 02 Apr 2004, 06:50

summ to be exact the Enterprise class carrier is bigger then the Nimitz class.... just a few meters in total length...
the Enterprise class consists of the CVN-65 USS Enterprise

Carriers in servise in the US navy:

Kitty Hawk Class:
Kitty Hawk CV-63
Constellation CV-64 should be decommisiond but not sure it is already..
America CV-66 already decommisioned

CVN-65 USS Enterprise

JFK class:
John F. Kennedy CV-67

Nimitz class:
Nimitz CVN-68
Dwight D. Eisenhower CVN-69
Carl Vinson CVN 70 Theodore Roosevelt CVN-71
Abraham Lincoln CVN 72
George Washington CVN 73
John C. Stennis CVN-74
Harry S. Truman CVN-75
Ronald Reagan CVN-76

VC ships are non Nuclear
CVN is Nuclear powered

Dudes__Geof_ · Post by **Dudes__Geof_** » 02 Apr 2004, 07:24

you mean cv ships are non nuclear?

Summ · Post by **Summ** » 02 Apr 2004, 08:59

yes, of course.
Stig - on the internet they say the George Washington should be the largest, but I believe in Jane's great knowledge :p *bows*
The radar thingy still intrigues me greatly ^^ I never heard anything about an F-117 ever being spotted :p Seems stupid none ever thought of monitoring the speed of an UFO as small as it might be... congrats to the dutchies for doing it ... ^^
CNBC news report that in the latest 3 month the total population of doves and other birds has been more than halved by the frenzied and nervous dutchmen, who contantly believe they're seeing Stealth aircrafts evrywhere in a sort of new Big Brother's watching you. The migrating ducks from south Africa are expected to lay a new route for the next year. That'd be all, thank you for watching

... lol.

UrQuattro · Post by **UrQuattro** » 02 Apr 2004, 10:46

America CV-66 already decommisioned

I have visited America when it was stationed in Malta in Valetta harbour in 1996 for 4 days. It was huge, 320m, and very cool. Me and my highschool friends waited in a 5 hour line (yes!) to get in. Those elevators that bring planes up were used to bring pople up and down on the upper decks, speed was so fast, and at the end it very gently slowed the whole thing down.

Amonst others, I visited HMS Invinsible (think it was a British navy flagship?). And also some US Helicopter career, that took action during Vietnam. All were good fun, but USS America was best and largest.