Official Showroom Downvoting&Upvoting Report Topic

^Sparco^ · Post by **^Sparco^** » 18 Mar 2005, 17:19

Has my car been downvoted?

http://www.nfsunlimited.net/underground ... w/?id=7933

Thanks you

ca$h · Post by **ca$h** » 18 Mar 2005, 19:03

Thanks Morty

Also can you check my golf when you get the time? Thanks.

Sir Ibi · Post by **Sir Ibi** » 18 Mar 2005, 19:50

how come no one reports of any upvoting... i think my G35 has been upvoted, can someone plase check, thanks >>>> http://www.nfsunlimited.net/underground ... /?id=15454

Post by **Morty** » 19 Mar 2005, 01:03

Yup, you were upvoted... By 3 users... Thnx for telling...

Sir Ibi · Post by **Sir Ibi** » 19 Mar 2005, 01:22

I was only joking morty, i wasn't serious, it was only like 500th place and now it's down to 700+.... now I understand why no one reports upvoting.....

Post by **Morty** » 19 Mar 2005, 01:29

Well, I had to check...

But don't blame yourself, they would be caught pretty soon anyway... I'm taking a raid for upvoters in the next few days, so expect some changes....

vellu · Post by **vellu** » 19 Mar 2005, 02:23

Question, are these upvoters voting everything 9/10 no matter what the car looks like, or are they only voting good cars? (in both cases votes should be cleared)

If only good cars, it might be a good idea to reming people (again) that voting low isn't against the law...It's a bit unfair to really good cars which deserve high votes when/if votes are cleared for someone who only gives high votes, but perhaps rightfully so.

Post by **Morty** » 19 Mar 2005, 02:41

Well, I decided to start tonight, and I went thru one page with votes... And the result was very disappointing. 2000 votes are now deleted, and I expect more to follow. The previous wipe obviously didn't help, so I guess we need a new strategy. I'm 99% sure that a lot of the people who vote in the showroom never visits the forum, and then don't know that we are now focusing on upvoters (or they just don't care). And I suppose some of you have friends in there... So, If you're tired of seeing votes being deleted all the time, then tell them to start changing their voting habits (on MSN, other IMs, PM...). Because this has got to end...

vellu: It's based on voting percentages. I know some people only vote cars they like, but when so many people does that, it messes up the entire system.

Sir Ibi · Post by **Sir Ibi** » 19 Mar 2005, 02:48

well keep up the good work guys, you're doing a great job, oh wait, this isn't the kissing up thread is it... doh!

ca$h · Post by **ca$h** » 19 Mar 2005, 03:03

I see alot of vote like this, "10 check my garage"

jemc · Post by **jemc** » 19 Mar 2005, 03:26

from around 100th straight down to 311th rank
http://www.nfsunlimited.net/underground ... /?id=16487

vellu · Post by **vellu** » 19 Mar 2005, 10:11

Morty wrote:I know some people only vote cars they like, but when so many people does that, it messes up the entire system.

My point exactly, it biases the rankings toward 9/10 (which was the problem before the reset aswell) making it kinda pointless. Don't have any ideas though how to raise awareness of this among the average user. Other then blinking text tags everywhere...

It's an imperfect system, we'll just have to live with it. Keep on removing down/up votes when necessary.

Idea: Downvoters are banned directly, correct? How about upvoters (the not blatant ones)? Do they get a private message warning or something? If not, maybe they should get a message of sorts directing them to change their voting policies.

ca$h · Post by **ca$h** » 19 Mar 2005, 10:49

Well how are you defining upvoter? Someone who only votes for cars they like with 8-10 or someone who is like "10 check my garage" to every car they look at?

patrickman · Post by **patrickman** » 19 Mar 2005, 11:33

i think somebody downvoted on my supra, or some low votes only ? could somebody please check?:

http://www.nfsunlimited.net/underground ... /?id=15305

^Sparco^ · Post by **^Sparco^** » 19 Mar 2005, 12:39

Just to keep thigs clear: Notice that cars can perfectly go down from 100th to 400th if you have a small amount of votes. (i.e. a car that has been voted 6 times).

When a car voted 40 times goes dramatically down, there are too many possibilities that it has been downvoted (you can be sure then).

patrickman · Post by **patrickman** » 19 Mar 2005, 12:55

yeah, but the supra was voted like 18 times...

Dragster · Post by **Dragster** » 19 Mar 2005, 13:31

Rank: 341
I don't see what's wrong with that. Remember that there are 8783 cars (not all ranked).
341th of 5000th (apx.) is very good, half of my cars are ranked >500, but who am I...

@Morty: I don't think it's a good strategy to keep deleting the votes, many users vote perfect or awesome cars, and I always fall atleast 200places in the rankings after vote removal. It's not that I care, but this can't go on like this

^Sparco^ · Post by **^Sparco^** » 19 Mar 2005, 14:01

Dragster wrote:Rank: 341
Remember that there are 8783 cars (not all ranked).
341th of 5000th (apx.) is very good, half of my cars are ranked >500, but who am I...

Check the worst cars (ranked by 'yuck'

) The worse ranked car is 950th approximately.

Sorry for disappointing you

patrickman · Post by **patrickman** » 19 Mar 2005, 14:15

yeah but the omplaint is that is was 50th and after 1 vote 341?

Dragster · Post by **Dragster** » 19 Mar 2005, 14:20

After the vote removal? My two Sentra's were 21th and 34th and now they are 452nd and 336th

@^Sparco^: Damn there's a lot of unranked cars

vellu · Post by **vellu** » 19 Mar 2005, 17:33

Dragster wrote: Damn there's a lot of unranked cars

Very true, unless you make a lot of noise about yourself it's very hard to get votes for "the average-not-so-great" car. Lot of people just browse through the various "top rated" pages which really doesn't help to get votes for unranked cars. The featured car, and the three random ones listed on the main showroom page are a step in the right direction. Don't know what else could be done though.

Wasn't there an idea floating around about listing the people who have voted the most (fairly, no auto-vote-cannons but people who have sensible vote/comment histories)? Maybe would be a new way to raise interest on voting. Or not.

Pelado · Post by **Pelado** » 19 Mar 2005, 18:00

Morty wrote:we are now focusing on upvoters...

We all as people are not perfect and I think this delete system is not perfect either. So I think this vote handling is dangerous...

Dragster · Post by **Dragster** » 19 Mar 2005, 20:17

I think (I can't judge nor tell you mods anything because it's a fact that I have no idea how do the votes look like when you open them) that you should leave the votes as they are for 4-5 months and then ban the voters that have >50% of 10's. I know it's too dramatic, but I can't think of anything else

wowirace · Post by **wowirace** » 19 Mar 2005, 20:25

well, this problem is gonna stay for a long time...you cant just ba people because they have too many 10's, or ban people who give out too many 1's....that doesnt solve the problem...i think you should just leave it be, because there's NO WAY to stop this.

Dragster · Post by **Dragster** » 19 Mar 2005, 21:02

It is a way. One user to have his votes deleted for 3 times, than a ban follows.