Videocards.. which to buy and whatnot.. simply videocards!
- Tunerfreak
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Is a NIVIDIA GeForce4 TI 4800 SE graphics card any good when it comes to playing all the latest games? Ive got one and it plays all the nfs's, juiced, gtr and all thoses sorta games on full graphics and resolution without aa. everyone keeps saying its a crappy $100 card that dosnt do **** but nfsu on full graphics and reso? Im confused....
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- Drift King
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humm...sounds like your AGP slot might be a 4x instead of the current 8x standard. the two slots are backward compatible, but if you choose to run that card on a 4x slot, then the performance will be slowed because of the smaller banwidth the slot allows.Stereo wrote:... Too bad, I already ordered it...
Hmm, lets see, my mobo has an AGP slot, does that mean my KT133 series mobo with Athlon800MHz can work with a Radeon X850XT? I bet not... My mobo series is old. So is my CPU.
- EmptyWords
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lol, yeah i agree only minor differences there. Anyway i kinda need some advice, perhaps someone can help me out here... i have an old DELL PC, which i'm planning to give to my cousin, just for a basic setup for a first PC, but I was planning to upgrade the gfx card for hime. It only has a PCI slot, yes PCI, not PCI-E, just plain old PCI. Does anyone know of any good graphics card for PCI slots, any help would be cool, thanks.
hmmmm damn..... i have 1 stuck in my old ass sony viao... lemme look... when we bought it was like $100 and it was ok.. but it didnt work well with underground 1... so it suks IMO...i dont know the name or specs... doesnt help u much...
EDIT: I went to Newegg for some ideas... here they are http://www.newegg.com/app/searchProduct ... nerCata=48
EDIT: I went to Newegg for some ideas... here they are http://www.newegg.com/app/searchProduct ... nerCata=48
- Dragon-of-Rune
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you're not rightEmptyWords wrote:yes and that small difference is preety much double. 8x is twice as much as 4x. so yeah only minor difference.
EDIT: i got this from one forum:
I just ran some basic test between 4x AGP and 8X AGP on my system.
Test #1= 8X AGP
3D Mark 2000= 20,744
3D Mark 2001= 23,817
3D Mark 2003= 12,254
I went into my bios and set my AGP buss to 4X, verified in driver control panel & benchmark details. I wasn't able to test at 2X AGP because my MB has no setting for 2X. I know in the past there wasn't much difference between 2X & 4X AGP.
Test #2= 4X AGP
3D Mark 2000= 20,143
3D Mark 2001= 23,711
3D mark 2003= 12,211
As you can see the difference between 4X AGP & 8X AGP is nothing according to these popular benchmarks
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- Drift King
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of course the motherboard would have no setting for AGP2x because the 2x slot is a completely different slot design .Triskac wrote:you're not rightEmptyWords wrote:yes and that small difference is preety much double. 8x is twice as much as 4x. so yeah only minor difference.
EDIT: i got this from one forum:
I just ran some basic test between 4x AGP and 8X AGP on my system.
Test #1= 8X AGP
3D Mark 2000= 20,744
3D Mark 2001= 23,817
3D Mark 2003= 12,254
I went into my bios and set my AGP buss to 4X, verified in driver control panel & benchmark details. I wasn't able to test at 2X AGP because my MB has no setting for 2X. I know in the past there wasn't much difference between 2X & 4X AGP.
Test #2= 4X AGP
3D Mark 2000= 20,143
3D Mark 2001= 23,711
3D mark 2003= 12,211
As you can see the difference between 4X AGP & 8X AGP is nothing according to these popular benchmarks
i know that when the 8x standard was first rolled out, it only had as much capability as AGP4x cards. the maximum bandwidth for AGP4x cards is 1066MB/s at a speed of 266MHz and the 8x slot can push twice the amount of data at a clock speed twice as fast.
the reason for the small differences between each slot is because the actual graphic chip has used up all of its resources and at that clock speed...simply can handle no more. so the problem isnt really the slot themselves, its the GPU itself thats limiting the benchmark results.
which is also why the difference as of now between PCI-E and AGP8x is also very minor.
the processing capabilities of the cards themselves are pushed to the limits which means no matter how fast the data can be provided. the graphics chip just cant handle any more. and as you know, PCI-E is able to provide a 4GB/s bandwidth bi-directionally(data can flow in and out of the card at the same speed).
one day i'm sure PCI-E chips will push far ahead of AGP8x chips, but meanwhile, even todays games cannot exhaust the bandwidth provided by AGP4x chips.
- Dragon-of-Rune
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I read that a pci-e x16 is actually faster than AGP 8x.. it was in PC Magazine. I read it somewhere, when i find it, i will scann it...Triskac wrote:and i hope it will happen very soonone day i'm sure PCI-E chips will push far ahead of AGP8x chips, but meanwhile, even todays games cannot exhaust the bandwidth provided by AGP4x chips.