Your favourite muscle car?

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 21 Oct 2004, 15:29

Grez wrote:
boganbusman wrote:In case you didn't know, the whole car chase scene in Bullitt was 100% real. The car was stock, and no special effect were added. That is why I used this example.
And in case you didnt know, its still a film, not a documentary. Certain views/shots of the car are used to give a better effect. So nice try, but no cigar

WTF? If a car goes fast, then it goes fast. No amount of wierd camera shots can change that.

Grez wrote:Here is something I got from a dictionary site:

Quote:
muscle car

1)A term usually assigned to mid-sizd, American cars produced in the mid 60's to mid 70's with oversized engines and light chassis.

2) Any rear-whel drive car made to go fast.

So lets see.

Nothing is mentioned of a V8 engine, only one with large displacement.

Note the word 'usually' is used when talking of the term. That means that there are differences. Make of that what you will.

Man, I can't believe you actually looked up a dictionary.
As you said before, muscle car is a generic term, and to most people (at least in Aus), the first thing that springs to mind when 'muscle car' is mentioned, is a V8.

Anyway, I wouldn't say that a Supra or Skyline engine has a 'large' displacement.

Also, I am not saying that Jap cars are crap, simply that I (and most others) do not classify them as 'muscle'.
I'm sure that a maxxed out Supra could kill a muscle car, but that is not the point.

Post by **TheStig** » 21 Oct 2004, 15:44

where is this world going to....

but bogan it looks like you lost this comp.

and ever noticed that the age of Muscle is over?

yes they still make cars with a "big" V8 and the handling capebility of a cargoship, but he... not as much as they did in the 70's

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 21 Oct 2004, 15:47

TheStig wrote:and ever noticed that the age of Muscle is over?

Maybe in Europe, but not here. Nooooo way.
I actually feel kinda sorry for you guys.

Post by **TheStig** » 21 Oct 2004, 15:50

boganbusman wrote:
TheStig wrote:and ever noticed that the age of Muscle is over?
Maybe in Europe, but not here. Nooooo way.
I actually feel kinda sorry for you guys.

I kinda don't

we never had a age of Muscle... we got corners

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 21 Oct 2004, 15:57

TheStig wrote:we never had a age of Muscle... we got corners

And we don't?

Just another point: You guys reckon that I am so narrow minded, and you won't even accept the fact that there are some muscle cars that can handle.

Now if that isn't hippocritical then I don't know what is.

Post by **TheStig** » 21 Oct 2004, 16:12

it is simply a fact that we hardly have any American cars then and now
the reasons:

1 our high fuel prices, and the yanks aren't known for their fuel economy
2 yes corners are everywhere. but it is a simple fact that the eurpean cities are alot OLDER and the streets are smaller corners are tighter and parking spaces are small. - and most of these muscle cars are BIG long and have a wide turning radius. we don't have big open spaces here... no long streight roads.

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 21 Oct 2004, 19:08

Yes, I looked it up on a dictionary site, because it seemed you didnt know what a muscle car was, despite banging on about them.

And the Mustang used in Bullitt wasnt what I would consider fast, and yes, different angles can make the car appear as though its going faster than it is.

Dragster · Post by **Dragster** » 21 Oct 2004, 21:57

ummmm guys?
have you forgot Diesels muscle in F&F? 1000bhp and all... I'm 15 and I'm not into all this like you guys...
I always tought that muscle cars are Americans 60-70' mustangs Camaros and so on... Tnx for the infos

flatblacksleeper · Post by **flatblacksleeper** » 21 Oct 2004, 22:38

Evreyone i know call the supra a muscle car.... and i do not know this for sure but i thought that the some Supras in Japan came stock with a v8

NismoSKYLIN3R34 · Post by **NismoSKYLIN3R34** » 21 Oct 2004, 23:22

in sure all you have seen this movie Gone in 60 Seconds with Nicholas Cage but if you havent heres a pic of my favorite muscle car from it. The 1967 Ford Mustang G.T. 500. i love this car

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 22 Oct 2004, 00:11

The Supra comes with a straight 6

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 22 Oct 2004, 01:05

How big is it?

lots of cars come with a straight-six.

Edit: damn, Grez has gone.

Sweeper · Post by **Sweeper** » 22 Oct 2004, 09:32

The Supra comes with a 3.0 litre straight 6 twin turbo.
Basically good for breaking the 1000 HP barrier by tuning fairly easy...

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 22 Oct 2004, 09:36

How easy?

(ie. what needs to be done and how much money)

Sweeper · Post by **Sweeper** » 22 Oct 2004, 10:41

Mainly a turbo swap and upping the boost pressure.
You will need exhaust system work over as well, but no touching of the internals of the engine.
So around 30k to 40k, 60k with full internal workover, but then you will be walking WAY over 1300 HP...

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 22 Oct 2004, 10:45

Ummm . . . what currency are we talking here?

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 22 Oct 2004, 11:53

A Supra can be pushing 1200bhp for 33k

Thats just for the engine, the rest of the car will probably take some work to cope with the stress. By the way, Supras can only handle 900bhp on stock internals, so they would need forging.

http://www.suprastore.com/45suppac.html

The package for 1200bhp includes:

"HKS GT3037 twin ball bearing turbo kit (large A/R). Stage III fuel system (twin Walbro pumps). Custom ground 272/292 degree camshafts. Titan street/race head package (complete head, your good core required), Titan street/race intake manifold. NOS 150HP direct port nitrous system (bottle heater, remote bottle valve, blanket, inline filter). Titan built street/race specification engine: forged pistons, billet connecting rods, fully assembled, balanced, all new gaskets, seals, water pump, oil pump.
Electronics: AEM EMS

The AEM EMS replaces the VPC/GCC alphabet soup piggy-back electronics set-up and is inclusive of a new 3bar map sensor and IAT, along with the SupraStore.com 900HP AEM EMS pre-programmed high horsepower maps!! Final tuning MUST be done with a knowledgable tuner and using a dyno and the proper analytical equipment.

Ignition: HKS Twin Power Ignition"

^^Thats pasted from the Stage 5 and 8 conversion kits.

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 22 Oct 2004, 14:23

By the sound of it, the only part that remains stock is the engine block.

BTW I'm assuming that you mean 33k pounds, which a lot of money. It's about AU$90k.

For only AU$38k, I can get THIS. (it's a Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo engine)

With the other $52k, I could improve the chassis of the car, and still have plenty of change left over.

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 22 Oct 2004, 21:51

Actually, the 33k is in USD $$.

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 23 Oct 2004, 03:24

Well that's still about AU$50k.

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 23 Oct 2004, 15:24

$44'614

Not bad really for 1200bhp.

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 23 Oct 2004, 15:30

US dollar has gone down a lot. Used to be like US$1 = AU$2.

Sweeper · Post by **Sweeper** » 25 Oct 2004, 10:33

Then we got the RB26DETT (Skyline engine) Which is rumored (Have yet to find the evidence on paper, only heard from RB26 lovers.) It can do 1300HP on stock internals...
Thats not so bad either, if it is true, I will have to dig further into it and find out if it is the true number, perhaps Grez knows?

I can tell however, you can push a 20B up to 1200 HP with Peripheral Porting, and there does exist 4 rotor engines (Aftermarket made, there is also the NA 26B from Mazda, but it costs 100K AUD $)
It can push more than that

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 25 Oct 2004, 11:09

I doubt that the RB26 can make that power with 100% stock internals.

And I think the 26B would cost more than 100k, because they are SUPER rare.
They were only produced for Le Mans cars.

Sweeper · Post by **Sweeper** » 25 Oct 2004, 12:17

boganbusman wrote:I doubt that the RB26 can make that power with 100% stock internals.

And I think the 26B would cost more than 100k, because they are SUPER rare.
They were only produced for Le Mans cars.

They are rare due to the price, because all you get from Mazda when you buy a 26B is... THE BLOCK! You don't get anything else other than the block from Mazda, other company's that makes 4 rotor engines (2x 13B's mounted together) comes with a little more than than just the block...

BTW, here is one of those monster 20B's for sale:
http://www.maz-sport.com/engines/20b.htm