Bugatti Veyron

stealthsloth22 · Post by **stealthsloth22** » 09 May 2007, 22:40

If you say so, but I still think it's something of a fine line.

PSZeTa · Post by **PSZeTa** » 09 May 2007, 22:56

stealthsloth22 wrote:Actually If I recall correctly the Dodge Viper with Venom 1000 modifications tops out at about 255 mph wheras the Veyron could only hit 253 mph. Whether you consider the Venom coupe to be a "production car" is another matter...

It's difficult to tell what top speed exactly is. Take a look at the environment: it affects how the car performs. I've read that it has done 257 mph, while its top speed is said to be 253 mph.(Electronically limited?)

donaldgladden · Post by **donaldgladden** » 09 May 2007, 23:30

if im correct, a ex- drag racer in the US tunes vipers, and one of his vipers hit the 1/4 at 155 mph. BTW its street legal.his name is something heffner i belive...

steelsnake00 · Post by **steelsnake00** » 10 May 2007, 01:44

Hennesy you mean.
Modified car is not a production car as far as World Records are concerned. With the exception of RUF, for some reason.

T-Shine · Post by **T-Shine** » 10 May 2007, 02:20

http://www.heffnersperformance.com/

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 10 May 2007, 05:59

@ donald , i think you are talking about this vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IOpuGVo ... ed&search=
it is heffners performance and the car is street legal.

Glopaticki · Post by **Glopaticki** » 04 Jun 2007, 04:23

The Viper may have heaps of power but you have to think about the quality of the car, the ride and the overall experience. I for one love the bugatti with all my heart and would give anything just to see it let alone drive it. Its just a shame that most ppl who buy are rich bastards that have no clue about cars. Comparing the Viper to the Bugatti only lies in performance, other than that the Bugatti wins hands down with build quality, materials and hopefully the driving experience. Leave it to people who have actually driven the cars to compare them and not just base ur argumnets on words alone. I find it funny that there is an order form on the Bugatti website for a veyron lol. Also i've seen vids of the Bugatti where the driver s**** himself as his driving the car.

Anyway thats my 2 cents

Cheers fellas

Koenigsegg_Rox · Post by **Koenigsegg_Rox** » 04 Jun 2007, 06:57

darknight788 wrote:@ donald , i think you are talking about this vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IOpuGVo ... ed&search=
it is heffners performance and the car is street legal.

Sorry to correct you, but it is Hennessey Performance. That viper is BLOODY AWESOME! 1000 horse power and faster than the Bugatti Veyron.

steelsnake00 · Post by **steelsnake00** » 04 Jun 2007, 15:01

Who cares, you tune a truck enough and it will be faster than a Veyron.
The Veyron's appeal is that it isn't only street legal, it's street drivable. The people who own Hennessy peformance cars won't take them out on a daily basis as theres no modulation to their power; they're built to be driven fast and nothing else. The Veyron is actually usable as a car; keep its revvs low and you could drive it around a town no problem. I'd like to see someone try that with the Hennessy.
Plus, 1000bhp? Big deal. You can make that out of an E36 M3 with a bolt on kit.

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 04 Jun 2007, 23:14

except the veyron has dismal fuel economy

xHaZxMaTx · Post by **xHaZxMaTx** » 04 Jun 2007, 23:32

You can't really expect much from a car with 4 turbochargers.

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 04 Jun 2007, 23:38

and dont forget 16 cyliners and 8.0 liters and gets about 5mpg city driving. its weird to think that the viper engine is larger, the pistons on the veyron must be pretty small. the veyron is pretty cool and so is the viper IMO. but these days what high performance machine is practical ?

Koenigsegg_Rox · Post by **Koenigsegg_Rox** » 05 Jun 2007, 00:08

Uhh, the Bugatti Veyron? Ever watch Top Gear? Jeremy Clarkson says that the Bugatti Veyron is one of the best engineered cars ever made. Did you know about all the trouble Bugatti went through to make the Veyron? Heck, they even sacked a CEO because it wasn't working out. They even got ideas from Formula 1 car designers to help with the body shaping and downforce. The end result? A supercar that hasn't been tuned and can still go 250+mph. You call the Venom 1000 technologically advanced?

steelsnake00 · Post by **steelsnake00** » 05 Jun 2007, 04:02

darknight788 wrote:and dont forget 16 cyliners and 8.0 liters and gets about 5mpg city driving. its weird to think that the viper engine is larger, the pistons on the veyron must be pretty small. the veyron is pretty cool and so is the viper IMO. but these days what high performance machine is practical ?

The Veyron gets 16mpg if you keep it below boost, and still had 600bhp.
The Viper gets 7mpg if you keep it below boost, and has 500.

viper16 · Post by **viper16** » 05 Jun 2007, 04:25

and hennessey already makes an exhaust for the veyren which gets about 10 more hp

Glopaticki · Post by **Glopaticki** » 05 Jun 2007, 04:28

viper16 wrote:and hennessey already makes an exhaust for the veyren which gets about 10 more hp

For the what? Anyway why base an argument on fuel consumption, like someone said before if you have the money to get the bugatti, money for fuel would be small change

Koenigsegg_Rox · Post by **Koenigsegg_Rox** » 05 Jun 2007, 04:31

You would think that the Veyron would have enough horse power already...

Koenigsegg_Rox · Post by **Koenigsegg_Rox** » 05 Jun 2007, 04:33

Glopaticki wrote:
viper16 wrote:and hennessey already makes an exhaust for the veyren which gets about 10 more hp
For the what? Anyway why base an argument on fuel consumption, like someone said before if you have the money to get the bugatti, money for fuel would be small change

And plus, the Veyron wasn't meant to be a fuel efficient car. Bugatti just wanted to see if 250mph could be accomplished on a road car. In which it was accomplished.

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 05 Jun 2007, 05:35

um the viper gets about 17 mpg NOT 7 , thats retarded. i never said the veyron sucked its just not practical at all especially when it can empty its 26 gallon tank from full in about 12 minutes when WOT. the difference between the hennessey viper and veyron is the viper can be turned up for more boost not sure about the veyron

steelsnake00 · Post by **steelsnake00** » 05 Jun 2007, 11:39

darknight788 wrote:um the viper gets about 17 mpg NOT 7 , thats retarded. i never said the veyron sucked its just not practical at all especially when it can empty its 26 gallon tank from full in about 12 minutes when WOT. the difference between the hennessey viper and veyron is the viper can be turned up for more boost not sure about the veyron

No, a Viper gets 17mpg as STANDARD. The Hennessy one wacks fueling up to an enormous level and has considerable work to the head to cope with the pressure of forced induction, and will no WAY be as fuel efficiant as the Veyron. Incidently, I'd love to see the Viper, even WITH its larger tank than they Veyron, come even CLOSE to 12mins at WOT. By the way, that 12minute figure also includes the acceleration run to get it to WOT. Plus, the Viper's top speed is only estimated, like that of the latest Koenigsegg. It's never been proven to exceed about 220.
As if buying a Hennessy viper isn't a stupid enough idea anyway, you can crank the boost up. Wow, so it becomes even MORE undrivable.

As a side note, the Viper engine is larger because Americans haven't yet twigged that you can get a perfectly reliable 500bhp out of a 3.0l I6 without forced induction, an still feel they need enormous displacement to do so.

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 05 Jun 2007, 19:52

o well yea anything that puts out 1000 hp is going to have shiznit mileage. and i really dont like hennessey they have bad practices in their business. the hennessey viper has done like 211 mph in the standing mile so i am willing to bet it would go past 220 infact some sources calim a top speed 3 mph higher than the veyron. and the viper has a smaller tank than the veyron at exactly 18.5 gal. and you can get any amount of horsepower out of a typical engine if you really wanted to the vipers engine size adds something that the other smaller ones dont .... torque .... that is why it is called the modern muscle car. have you ever launched one before ? that is insane the torque just throws you back so hard you think your back is going to break and that was the 500 lb ft version not even the 535 lb ft of 560 lb ft versions.

steelsnake00 · Post by **steelsnake00** » 05 Jun 2007, 20:14

And exactly how often do you need 500lb ft unless you pulling a trailer?
Torque in the mid 300's is more than sufficiant for a 500bhp car.

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 05 Jun 2007, 20:48

well the more the better, you can even drive the thing around at 30 mph in sixth. more torque makes better launches

steelsnake00 · Post by **steelsnake00** » 05 Jun 2007, 21:14

I'd rather have 500bhp, 380lb ft, 21mpg and a decent rev range than 500bhp, 600lb fit 10mpg and sluggish responsiveness.
Plus, I think you'll find that equivilent HP, smaller engine'd cars are almost ALWAYS faster than the larger engine'd ones. May have something to do with the fact that a highly strung, all-alu I6 weighs about half as much as your average V8.

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 05 Jun 2007, 21:22

actually the viper gets 12/20 city/hwy. and its not sluggish at all you can be cruising along being very calm and then floor it and before you know your going 100+ mph.
and why do suppose they use large engines in top-fuel racing ? sure ive seen some smaller i6's and 4 bangers heavily modified for racing but none of them even come close to the quickness and speed of a large v8