European Cars -- IMPORTANT DEBATE

Mopar_Muscle · Post by **Mopar_Muscle** » 11 Jun 2007, 20:02

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArtic ... rs/225964/

A friend of mine sent me this on another Forum I'm a member at. Anyways:

Supposedy, there is a legislation being thought up of banning cars in Europe that can go over 101 MPH.

If you live in Europe, I suggest you read this.

Ludford · Post by **Ludford** » 11 Jun 2007, 20:39

thats like every car? WTF?

Fishwhiz · Post by **Fishwhiz** » 11 Jun 2007, 21:38

thats like every car. european cars are meant to be driven that fast. what about the autobahn? no speed limit? and also european drivers are really good, so why worry? its not like europe is filled with americans, causing the amount of deaths through car crashes to raise.

Ludford · Post by **Ludford** » 11 Jun 2007, 22:09

I was planning a trip to germany just to drive autobahns

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 11 Jun 2007, 23:07

well alot of them are already limited to 155 mph, they really shouldnt worry though as alot of handheld tuners allow you to remove the speed and or rev limiter

Mopar_Muscle · Post by **Mopar_Muscle** » 12 Jun 2007, 03:44

Well, I figured it was something about te limiter, I just posted this here to see if anyone knew anything else about this.

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 12 Jun 2007, 03:46

yea i knew about it i posted it here a couple days ago. if i lived in europe i would be pissed. think of the guy with a brand new mercedes or bmw and he cant go faster than 100 mph

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 12 Jun 2007, 09:33

Itll never happen.

steelsnake00 · Post by **steelsnake00** » 12 Jun 2007, 13:14

What Grez says

darknight788 wrote:well alot of them are already limited to 155 mph, they really shouldnt worry though as alot of handheld tuners allow you to remove the speed and or rev limiter

They were limited to 155 as part of a gentleman's agreement between Mercedes, BMW and VAG not to permit cars to exceed 155mph. Of course, supercars are exceptions- thus the R8, Mercedes SLR and road-going version of the BMW M3 GTR all exceeded 155.

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 12 Jun 2007, 20:00

i expect there would be a revolution if this really does happen. what about cars that cant be limited electronically. do they just forget about them ? or do they make the guy who bought a new sl500 last year get his ecm re- programed ?

BrontoX · Post by **BrontoX** » 12 Jun 2007, 20:25

BBC is stupid it's their stupid study that has done this the should go to hell. And those guys in the EU Parliament who vote for banning cars over 101MPH for this should go to hell also. (Hope i don't get banned cuz i used the word hell and insulted the EU and stuff)

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 12 Jun 2007, 20:27

who cares if you insult the EU. and what exactly is the reason for limiting cars under 100 mph ? you guys got a lot of speed demons over there ?

BrontoX · Post by **BrontoX** » 12 Jun 2007, 20:57

Not at all

T-Shine · Post by **T-Shine** » 12 Jun 2007, 22:09

@Darknight:

It's all part of a proposal to cut CO2 emissions from cars

This is just... tragi-comic.

steelsnake00 · Post by **steelsnake00** » 12 Jun 2007, 22:47

T-Shine wrote:@Darknight:
It's all part of a proposal to cut CO2 emissions from cars
This is just... tragi-comic.

Fact- driving at 155mph on the motorway would actually cut CO2 emissions.
Fiction- slowing down cars and thus creating slower movin traffic would not.

xHaZxMaTx · Post by **xHaZxMaTx** » 12 Jun 2007, 22:53

I was going to say that it's not how fast you're going that dictates CO2 emissions, but the RPM at which your engine is revving at, but I suppose you would spend less time running your car by getting to where you're going faster, thus reducing the amount of CO2 emitted at the same RPM.

Mopar_Muscle · Post by **Mopar_Muscle** » 12 Jun 2007, 23:03

Well they try to justify anything by saying anything.

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 13 Jun 2007, 01:45

ok so driving 155 mph would cut emissions .... and also the human population. which could be a good thing

xHaZxMaTx · Post by **xHaZxMaTx** » 13 Jun 2007, 02:15

I've heard, repeatedly, that the death rate on the Autobahn is significantly less than that of the U.S. Interstate, so it can't be that unsafe.

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 13 Jun 2007, 02:28

i dont know, i wouldnt feel very comfortable with some 80 year old lady driving 155 mph next to me

T-Shine · Post by **T-Shine** » 13 Jun 2007, 10:58

darknight788 wrote:i dont know, i wouldnt feel very comfortable with some 80 year old lady driving 155 mph next to me

Now, where did that come from?
Limiting a car's top speed (or imposing a regular speed limit) is not the same as having a minimum speed limit

DarrenR21373 · Post by **DarrenR21373** » 13 Jun 2007, 20:08

It's just another example of the lack of joined-up thinking that is occurring throughout the world at the moment.

Let's take the comically tragic case of Portsmouth in Hampshire. Our government are always waffling on about global warming, supposedly caused by CO2 emissions (leaving aside the argument that Global Warming is a naturally occurring phenomenon for another day). So what do Portsmouth do? Introduce a 20MPH speed limit throughout 85% of their roads, meaning that you would be lucky to get out of 2nd gear, thus INCREASING the amount of CO2 output compared to a vehicle being driven at the perfectly safe speed of 30MPH in 4th or even 5th gear.

Excuse me while I bang my head against a brick wall in frustration

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 13 Jun 2007, 23:23

um actually i was referring to the fact that if everybody drove 155 mph to cut CO2 emissions

20 mph ? damn WTF thats too slow, just goes to show that our politicians are complete morons

Glopaticki · Post by **Glopaticki** » 14 Jun 2007, 00:28

Politicians are complete wankers, they think cars are our main cause of CO2 emmisions. Wrong its houses. The use or the crappy inefficent household products cause more emissions through the power they use then the amount of CO2 is released from the exuast. And countries that are butholes and don't wanna cut emmissions, (i think we know who they are) cause high CO2 levels.

Lol farm animals such as cattle and sheep , release high amounts of methane in the air, they are worse then cars, but u don't see any politician blame them now do you?

darknight788 · Post by **darknight788** » 14 Jun 2007, 00:30

i killed a whale today according to al gore, because i released some R-12 into the atmosphere