Cars, law and other confusing topics.
Posted: 14 Sep 2010, 17:50
Started in my car build thread, but continuing here
If you think you are going to get angry over this topic please take a deep breath, no need for flames its going to be a fun discussion
Now I should clear up that there is a stigma against those who take their matters to court and contest them for some reason, as most people here seem to think that if you are charged, you are guilty and should pay up and cop it on the chin. I HATE that train of thought as it is exactly that which erodes the ability of the people to defend themselves when put in a situation created solely by the corporate government to generate cash with no intervention from anyone else.
I'm actually going through the process of court at the moment. Charges are a bunch of lies, but at the same time most would consider me guilty going by general consensus and understanding of the legislation. However the problem is that if the legislation isn't as watertight as people believe it to be, then how can it be applied so liberally.
After having an altercation in court just over a year ago where I was assaulted by two coppers (unprovoked too I might add) in the courtroom itself I started looking into the law and legislation they were claiming was in force (I was already looking into speeding and other offences which are considered criminal with no injured party) and whether there was actually jurisdiction to act in such a way. After a long 3 years of study I have come to the conclusion that the only jurisdiction they have is that which we accede to them. The local government (up to and including the state legislature) is not validated in the constitution, and during a referendum in 1988 it was rejected to add the state legislature and governments to the constitution. This may sound irrelevant but it has huge implications. Firstly it is illegal for them to issue a tax against the people for private travel (method is irrelevant). It is also illegal for the state governments to create monopolies in corporate trading, rendering companies like Queensland Transport illegal as they are a monopoly due to being a for profit corporation.
What this means for the average bloke/gal though is that there is no need to actually register your private property with any governmental agency or corporation such as Queensland Transport. There is no lawful claim to force you to pay licence fees on a regular basis as long as you have a certificate of competency for the operation of a car/motorbike/van etc...
It is even illegal to force people to use compulsory 3rd Party Insurance (though I'm not really against insurance as it's very beneficial at times, but that's another discussion!).
It doesn't matter who in the government claims otherwise, as this all comes from the Imperial act which is still in force in the Commonwealth of Australia and unless you happen to claim these rights, you'll never even know about them. Also another reason why the different states are pushing to have their own constitutions and disable the Imperial Act.
The only reason I looked into all this was due to the actions of two police officers lying about me speeding a couple of years back. I will never pay the fine for that, and seeing as that led to me being assaulted by them (a matter where they even charged me with obstruction of a police officer x2, which I won I might add) I won't be subject to their claimed jurisdiction any further. It's not like I want to use the roads as a race track or anything like that, I just want to be able to travel in peace without the fear of a copper stopping me and making crap up about me cos I have a car that's nice.
Currently I refuse to hold a Qld licence (handed it back in when it ran out back in '08, as it is actually the property of the government). I refuse to register my cars with the state or any state owned corporate agency as the act of registration not only gives them partial title to the property it is also what gives them jurisdiction over it. Finally I have private insurance that is not party to the usual crap from the usual companies.
If you think you are going to get angry over this topic please take a deep breath, no need for flames its going to be a fun discussion
Yeah have had my unfair share of fun with the local bacon in Aussie and yup they are officially the most aggressive and officious pricks I've had the displeasure to meet. In fact until I came here I had a totally clean license (well almost I had run through a red light once, but it was to avoid an accident so I deem it irrelevant ), but in the short time I have lived here I am actually stunned at the way the government goes about the business of basically raping the populace of cash from traffic offences.boganbusman wrote:Er, okay, but they still have jurisdiction over your carKaerar wrote:Great fun though as they have no jurisdiction over International Licences
Sorry for going off-topic anyway... I noticed that you're not really a 'local' so just making sure that you know cops around here are ars3holes.
Now I should clear up that there is a stigma against those who take their matters to court and contest them for some reason, as most people here seem to think that if you are charged, you are guilty and should pay up and cop it on the chin. I HATE that train of thought as it is exactly that which erodes the ability of the people to defend themselves when put in a situation created solely by the corporate government to generate cash with no intervention from anyone else.
I'm actually going through the process of court at the moment. Charges are a bunch of lies, but at the same time most would consider me guilty going by general consensus and understanding of the legislation. However the problem is that if the legislation isn't as watertight as people believe it to be, then how can it be applied so liberally.
After having an altercation in court just over a year ago where I was assaulted by two coppers (unprovoked too I might add) in the courtroom itself I started looking into the law and legislation they were claiming was in force (I was already looking into speeding and other offences which are considered criminal with no injured party) and whether there was actually jurisdiction to act in such a way. After a long 3 years of study I have come to the conclusion that the only jurisdiction they have is that which we accede to them. The local government (up to and including the state legislature) is not validated in the constitution, and during a referendum in 1988 it was rejected to add the state legislature and governments to the constitution. This may sound irrelevant but it has huge implications. Firstly it is illegal for them to issue a tax against the people for private travel (method is irrelevant). It is also illegal for the state governments to create monopolies in corporate trading, rendering companies like Queensland Transport illegal as they are a monopoly due to being a for profit corporation.
What this means for the average bloke/gal though is that there is no need to actually register your private property with any governmental agency or corporation such as Queensland Transport. There is no lawful claim to force you to pay licence fees on a regular basis as long as you have a certificate of competency for the operation of a car/motorbike/van etc...
It is even illegal to force people to use compulsory 3rd Party Insurance (though I'm not really against insurance as it's very beneficial at times, but that's another discussion!).
It doesn't matter who in the government claims otherwise, as this all comes from the Imperial act which is still in force in the Commonwealth of Australia and unless you happen to claim these rights, you'll never even know about them. Also another reason why the different states are pushing to have their own constitutions and disable the Imperial Act.
The only reason I looked into all this was due to the actions of two police officers lying about me speeding a couple of years back. I will never pay the fine for that, and seeing as that led to me being assaulted by them (a matter where they even charged me with obstruction of a police officer x2, which I won I might add) I won't be subject to their claimed jurisdiction any further. It's not like I want to use the roads as a race track or anything like that, I just want to be able to travel in peace without the fear of a copper stopping me and making crap up about me cos I have a car that's nice.
Currently I refuse to hold a Qld licence (handed it back in when it ran out back in '08, as it is actually the property of the government). I refuse to register my cars with the state or any state owned corporate agency as the act of registration not only gives them partial title to the property it is also what gives them jurisdiction over it. Finally I have private insurance that is not party to the usual crap from the usual companies.