mad104 wrote:its kinda ferraris fault too,because they were the only ones,who didnt want the chicane so they could win the race IMO jean todt is a greedy little bastard.
It's not up to Ferari to put chicane - and FIA said no way to that.
Blame michelin for starting it and FIA for finishing it off. Ferrari is just blamed because they can't do right lately. They are being smeared by the british media, the 9 teams, and at the end of the day, they raced by rules that were designed to handicap them from the first place. How ironic that they won.
If Minardi brings shiznit engines to a race, you don't suppose we shuold put a horse power limiter on the rest of the manufacturers' motors to make fair to compete?
The arrogant Michelin were unwilling to race by FIA rules, and indeed by any rules that would make them look bad next to Bridgestone. So they chose the boycott. Ferrari was not willing to do a non-championship race - that's all. BUT FIA compounded the matter by being unable to solve the crisis. It's FIA/MIchelin fault, and not ferrari. Adrian Newey (McLaren) and Frank Williams, as long as many drivers said Ferarari was right to race and they would have done the same thing. And Schumacher/Barichello were willing to race even with Chicane. Todt is a not a present, but at the end of the day, it's not his business to modify the track illegally and help Michelin. Rubens' retired in Bahrain because his tires were slicks after 20 laps. Bridges didn't ask for everyone to wait till the eveneing when it was cool enough to race? .. Double standards.
I wonder how people can put the blame for this over on Ferrari, what on earth does Ferrari have to do with Michelin making fools of themselves? The reason this race went bust was simply because Michelin, teams running on Michelins and the FIA wasnt able to get to an agreement! Michelin is to blame the most, as they didnt follow the rules and take the back-up tires with them, as the rules state they must, to begin with!
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Drewb99 wrote:9 of 10 teams racing wanted the chicane, even two teams that had Bridgestones. The FIA wanted a Ferarri win, pure and simple.
OMG!! have you seen what is written in your post??
how can you think something like this?
1-minardi and jordan are fake teams --> they do what the majority of other teams tells them to do
2-ferrari and bridgestone did their job, and wanted to have a regular race. michelin built dangerous tyres, so there was no point to do something (against the fia rules) to advantage (again) michelin teams
michelin fails. michelin has to pay. this is logic, isn't it?
Oy, I've discussed this on another forum but I'll post only official information:
The seven Michelin teams who pulled out of Sunday’s race at Indianapolis are to face charges of breaching the International Sporting Code by committing "one or more acts prejudicial to the interests of a competition, namely the 2005 United States Grand Prix, and/or to the interests of motor sport generally."
In identical letters to the seven team bosses published by the FIA on Tuesday, Formula One’s governing body, who has summoned the teams to appear before the World Motor Sport Council next Wednesday, listed a number of charges.
The charges given are that, according to the FIA, each team:
• failed to ensure that they had a supply of suitable tyres for the race
• wrongfully refused to allow their cars to start the race
• wrongfully refused to allow their cars to race, subject to a speed restriction in one corner which was safe for such tyres as they had available
• combined with other teams to make a demonstration damaging to the image of Formula One by pulling into the pits immediately before the start of the race
• failed to notify the stewards of their intention not to race, in breach of Article 131 of the FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.
Article 131 states: "The starting grid will be published four hours before the race. Any competitor whose car(s) is (are) unable to start for any reason whatsoever (or who has good reason to believe that their car(s) will not be ready to start) must inform the stewards accordingly at the earliest opportunity and, in any event, no later than 45 minutes before the start of the race.â€
The FIA told the teams they will be sent a full dossier of the charges within the next 24 hours and invited them to send any comments they should have in writing prior to their meeting with the Council in Paris on June 29.
As reported on Xtra.co.nz.
22/06/2005
Reuters
Three lawsuits have been filed by Formula One fans seething over the decision to stage the US Grand Prix with only six cars.
A class-action lawsuit was filed in Indianapolis on behalf of Larry Bowers, who wants a refund for his five tickets and travel expenses from his home in Colorado Springs, Colorado, said Bowers' lawyer, William Bock.
The suit, like two others filed Monday in Marion Superior Court, holds Formula One, the sport's governing body FIA and the Michelin tyre company responsible for not holding the type of event that was advertised.
Seven teams, including championship leaders Renault and McLaren, decided not to race Sunday after Michelin expressed concerns that the Indianapolis track could not handle its tyres.
World champion Michael Schumacher of Ferrari won the 73-lap race before 120,000 fans, many of whom tossed cans and bottles on to the track in disgust.
All of the six cars participating used Bridgestone tyres. Rather than sit out the race, the Michelin teams should have raced at reduced speeds, the FIA said.
"It was just a Bridgestone tyre practice session," said Bock. "Sunday's event did not meet the criteria of a race."
The boycotting teams will appear before the FIA's World Motor Sport Council in Paris on June 29.
Also named in Bowers' lawsuit was the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Bowers, reached Tuesday at his Colorado Springs home, would not discuss the lawsuit.
My opinion, the Ferrari team had nothing to do with Michelin's problems. The teams using Michelin tires were being jackasses. Michelin said that the teams couldn't make it on one set of tires but the teams could have changed the tires during the race. It's the teams' fault for not bringing extra tires. I hope they are found guilty of all charges and maybe even strip them of some points. They've caused major wounds for the F1 sport.
But let's not forget the FIA boss is an ignorant @$$hole too for not listening to the problems.
2furio wrote:My opinion, the Ferrari team had nothing to do with Michelin's problems. The teams using Michelin tires were being jackasses. Michelin said that the teams couldn't make it on one set of tires but the teams could have changed the tires during the race. It's the teams' fault for not bringing extra tires. I hope they are found guilty of all charges and maybe even strip them of some points. They've caused major wounds for the F1 sport.
But let's not forget the FIA boss is an ignorant @$$hole too for not listening to the problems.
Yeah it was Michelin's fault but quite frankly I getting sick off annual rule changes, the one tyre set has been the wrong choice, and even the head of ferrari has said that this kind of event was bound to happen. Although I would have liked them to build a chicane, this would be unfair as I think it was the Spanish Grand Prix where the Bridgestone runners were having trouble (Micheal had two tyre failures) and the Michelin teams were very unsympathetic towards this weakness in the ferrari's tyres, so they couldn't expect the favour to be repayed. F1 is sending mixed messages about it's future, the FIA are saying they are aiming for a single tyre manufacturer in the future and in light of the present situation this stands to benifit Ferrari even though the FIA have no contract with Michelin (the teams do) so they can't punish or force them out, pressure will have to be put on the teams to do this. And the whole idea of this break away GPWC series is looking like like it won't happen. At the moment Ferrari are the only team to have resigned the concorde agreement to participate in F1 after 2007, but quite frankly If BMW have just bought Sauber in order for them to start the BMW works team next year I can't see how this would leave room for a rival championship.
Speed Guaranteed F1 Seat as Red Bull-Minardi Deal Confirmed
Written by: Adam Cooper Spa, Belgium – 9/10/2005
Speed will partner Liuzzi in the new junior squad, with Klien and Coulthard staying at RBR. (LAT Photo)
Red Bull has finalized its deal to buy the Minardi team from Paul Stoddart after a successful week of due diligence in Faenza by the company’s lawyers and accountants.
News of the deal was first broken on http://www.speedtv.com on Friday lunchtime at the Italian GP (click here for story).
The deal was finalized late afternoon, and Stoddart received the news in a phone call from his people in Italy just before 5pm. Aware that Red Bull was about the issue a press release, he went straight to the team garage where, behind closed doors, he announced the news to the team and drivers.
Stoddart has always insisted that he would only sell to a properly funded buyer who would guarantee the future employment of his staff.
Red Bull does not yet have a name for the team, but will position it as a junior operation.
Red Bull’s Helmut Marko confirmed to http://www.speedtv.com that Scott Speed and Tonio Liuzzi will drive, leaving David Coulthard and Christian Klien in the British-based Red Bull Racing team.
Marko said that next year the team will as planned use Cosworth V10 engines, but longer term there will be "synergies" between the two teams, once it is legal to share chassis and other technologies.
That can only mean that the team will also want a second supply of Ferrari V8 engines from 2008 onwards.
An exclusive Paul Stoddart interview will follow shortly.
well, although I love Mclaren I still think Alonso will win, unlike his team mate Fizzy, he can handle himself in all conditions. I'm still a bit unsure about montoya, he just isn't consistant enough, I think Mclaren will look to replace him rather than resign him when his contract runs out. It was a good race today though, didn't expect button to get on the podium
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Thanks to his 3rd place at Interlagos (Brazil), Fernando Alonso has become the youngest world champion in the history, title who had Emerson Fittipaldi till some hours ago
So this dude is the 28th F1 world champion, the 1st Spanish.
