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You might need to watch some car test driving video, lotus lacks power seriously. Yap, Lotus is very very nimble due to it's weight at around 700kg, but it has only 120hp !. Its engine is refined for shaving off serious weight, but it's vulnerable to serious tuning. In other hand, Rx7 weights around 1300kg, but it has 280hp stock with alot of tuning capability. Comparing stock to stock, Rx7 has a better power to weight ratio than lotus. Due to its limited tuning capability, it's impossible to make a Lotus to attain a faster top speed and acceleration comparing most of the heavier car out there.
Speaking of lotuses, the newer Exiges (the 'serious' version of the Elise) have 243 horsepower which is a hell of an improvement for a similar weight. Also, comparing it to an RX7 is an unfair comparison since you're comparing a rotary engine to a standard engine - rotary engines have generally about 50 horsepower on their standard fourstroke counterparts but take a hell of a lot more fuel. If you got Lotus to design a new car with a similar size and weight to the RX7, you could more than likely bet on it that it'd be superior in most ways - though anyone with a streak of fanboyism will probably spaz out at the idea of this, it seems to me that Lotus is one of the best euro car manufacturers out there, particularily when it comes to handling and suspension though it seems to be allergiac to making a car weigh more than one ton or using an engine over 2 litres.

Anyways, in more real-life measures the argument is somewhat limited given that the size of the cars means it's kind of like comparing a mini cooper to a dodge charger; it'd be more fair to compare it to the MX5 which'd be easily buried by the Exige. It's more or less a rule of the thumb that the bigger a car is, the more power it can essentially put out since it can mount larger engines - while some of the modern technologies and such available today can increase a car's speed significantly, the old formula of bigger being faster is still generally proving true (so long as you don't bring any of those old Citroen engines into the equation).
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons ... page6.html

On that page is a more updated horse power stat. Just as well, the Lotus is a car that can keep it's power coming all through the RPM's while some cars only get their HP stat from their highest point. The lotus can keep 190 HP coming the entire time you're standing on the pedal, and that includes through the turns. And in a recent test from Caranddriver, the Lotus finished best in it's class, beating out only one competitor of note, the Corvette C6 WHOSE HP IS 400, AND WEIGHT IS A FEW HUNDRED POUNDS MORE THAN YOUR RX-7. Just as well, there are plenty of tuned Lotus' that have 400-500 HP. But their are are not as many, because they are more expensive than your average RX-7. And I hate to say this but the 243 hp Exige is not the normal but the Sport Cup. The regular Exige has no power increase over the Elise, but now the new Exige S has a supercharged Toyota motor which makes about 220 hp. But still the basic Elise (the one in Carbon) has 190 HP and is capable of beating much more powerful cars (Like the Corvette).
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to go abit longer offtopic... sorry guys.

The engine in the Lotus Exige is a Toyota engine that is also used in the Toyota 2ZZGE 1.8 VVTLi engine.
Wich can be modded. but that is a other discussion... ;)

so back to the topic at hand.
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The game is too easy no doubt, only took me 6 hours to complete the career (got it last Friday night, and everything done by saturday morning).

One interesting thing about the game is, unlike what I thought about the demo, performance tuning in the full game has something more to it than it looks like. I spent 4 whole days (Saturday to Tuesday) just to fiddle around with performance tuning to get a grasp on the perfect balance. you know what, my favorite car is better than the audi Le Mans now! I can chop at least 5 secs off the Le Mans in all sprints (I test everything in quick race with no traffic and no opponents). If you do it right, a lumpy thing suddenly becomes so agile and responsive. One thing I hate about it is that you cannot tune performance without jumping into the safe house, I really prefer the way MW works that you can tune your car in the middle of a race, that would've made my test much quicker; I hope EA add more detailed fine-tuning features in to performance tuning in the upcoming patch, I'd like to control the exact gear ratio, down force, turbo boost etc of the car, and to make it extreme, they should have a waste reduction feature that you can get rid of some extra weight from your car just like in real life, how to do that, you can get ride of the GPS and drive without the map on screen, i'd trade the GPS for a better handling car. Oh, forgot to mention, I don't know why I can't use my alias in online games, only my account name shows online, which is not fasttasf!, I want to use my alias! Anyways, I'm starting to like the game now. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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for now, i can say: i wasted my money...really.... I've got the CE edition, but im so dissapointed....EA has to do something man....

Soon i'll post my thoughts about this "game"...
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xturbo wrote:for now, i can say: i wasted my money...really.... I've got the CE edition, but im so dissapointed....EA has to do something man....

Soon i'll post my thoughts about this "game"...
I'm sure I was more disappoined than you are no matter how disappointed you are now, I even got someone here personally attacked me for saying loads of negative things about carbon. However, if it is the performance tuning issue (car handling) that you are not happy with, take some time to explore the settings, you'll be surprised, I still have a lot of negative points about the game (online game play, graphics, etc.), but the performance tuning is not as bad as I originally thought when I first got the game. If you tune your car properly, you get the same handling as what you get from MW, plus the cars sound a little bit better. Anyways, I think most people here bluntly saying the game is awesome don't know much about the game, they don't have passion about the game either. If you really like a game, you naturally take more time to find everything about it and look at the negatives, I have to say we are the really important customers that EA needs.
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over all opinion of the game realy good and fun game play. but seriously rushed!!!
i mean seriously... what where they thinking. my game crashes roughly once every 2 hrs. mainly when iv spent ages getting my vinyls just right :x . there are so many small bugs its unbelivable. but worst of all. u cant unlock all the cars !!! yes i probably would have played threw career a few times anyway. but for fun! now im going to be playing threw career 3 times to unlock all the cars. and if i strugel with sumthing instead of thinking oh well. im gona get pissed off cos i cant unlock a certain car.

the customization is good. altho i think autosculpt was really over rated. iv been enjoying the compleatly custom vinyls more than the body work. iv not done much racing with the other car classes cos i aint ulocked anything decent in them :x but the tuner cars are cool. and the supra is finally at the top :P lol. cops are much better. in cool down mode 2 ov em managed to trap me and find me again. altho they do seem to apear pretty randomly. canyon drfiting is brill takes a bit of time to get used to the new system but its cool. really tokyo drift esk. normal canyon duels can be anoying. especially in the high powerd cars. having to make 2 perfect runs to win is too much to ask of me (keeping my sanity in the proccess).

again over all a good game. but i would have waited longer to have all the little crappy bits sorted
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fasttasf wrote:
xturbo wrote:for now, i can say: i wasted my money...really.... I've got the CE edition, but im so dissapointed....EA has to do something man....

Soon i'll post my thoughts about this "game"...
I'm sure I was more disappoined than you are no matter how disappointed you are now, I even got someone here personally attacked me for saying loads of negative things about carbon. However, if it is the performance tuning issue (car handling) that you are not happy with, take some time to explore the settings, you'll be surprised, I still have a lot of negative points about the game (online game play, graphics, etc.), but the performance tuning is not as bad as I originally thought when I first got the game. If you tune your car properly, you get the same handling as what you get from MW, plus the cars sound a little bit better. Anyways, I think most people here bluntly saying the game is awesome don't know much about the game, they don't have passion about the game either. If you really like a game, you naturally take more time to find everything about it and look at the negatives, I have to say we are the really important customers that EA needs.

This game is crap, let nobody convince you otherwise. It's so crapy I alredy uninstalled it. And never gonna get my HD dirty with this game again. THE WORST NFS OF ALL TIME + ONE OF THE GREATEST DISAPOINTMENTS OF ALL TIME...
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xturbo wrote:for now, i can say: i wasted my money...really.... I've got the CE edition, but im so dissapointed....EA has to do something man....

Soon i'll post my thoughts about this "game"...
TOTALY agree with you, but EA isn't gonna do much except excessive advertising. More money form sucker customers. :evil:
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Can you send me your PC + game then so i can play it for 2-3 weeks while my upgrade arrives? Please?
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Abrams wrote:Can you send me your PC + game then so i can play it for 2-3 weeks while my upgrade arrives? Please?
I can send you game TOTALY free, your only have to pay the post... Or there is another way...
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it was a joke actually ^^

well, as for the original post, why is it so bad? online? career? awards?
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id like to add to my review:
1. the GPS doesnt tell u soon enough where u should be going. only tells u 5 yards befor the turning where u should be going.
2. the controles on ps2 force u to use the joysticks if u want access to the speed breaker. i like using x as accelerate.
3. i jsut got a reward card for unlocking 12 cars. IV JUST STARTED A NEW CAREER!! and i cant for the life of me find these cars to use them.

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Most cars are not available in career, only in quick race. Which is BIG BIG minus!

Agree about the navigation arrow, it should predict turns a bit sooner. Going at 200km/h+ there isn't enough time to make the turn after the arrow shows the new direction.
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I noticed a bug. (LIEK I KNO OMFGWTFLAWL!!!11!1!)

When you do a checkpoint race and restart after passing 1 or more checkpoints, you don't see the checkpoints you passed on the mini-map. :O

EA FIX0RE PLZ

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Carbon is the best racing game ever. The sound of the GTR is amazing!!! The autosculpt and vinyls rock, and the gameplay is perfect, because you can slide around corners. Overall, 9.9999999999999.
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If carbon is the best racing game ever, you never played a real racing game.
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overall i think the game is quite good. the problem for me is that it's way too short. four bosses compared to MW's 15?!?! I'm also really irritated about the AI traffic (taxis, cars, vans etc) because when you hit them, they stay in place, flip over and block you!!! and what's the deal with some cars only available for online and quick race!!!
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vellu wrote:Most cars are not available in career, only in quick race. Which is BIG BIG minus!

Agree about the navigation arrow, it should predict turns a bit sooner. Going at 200km/h+ there isn't enough time to make the turn after the arrow shows the new direction.
MW got same GPS issue tho, most of the tiems the pointer will show you where to go few moment before turn.
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Abrams wrote:
vellu wrote:Most cars are not available in career, only in quick race. Which is BIG BIG minus!

Agree about the navigation arrow, it should predict turns a bit sooner. Going at 200km/h+ there isn't enough time to make the turn after the arrow shows the new direction.
MW got same GPS issue tho, most of the tiems the pointer will show you where to go few moment before turn.
If it blinked the words "next left" or "next right", something to that effect it would be good.
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Man..this game is weird...

*Unbelieveably..i finished the career in less than 8 hours playing flat...
*The no of cars seems to be waaay lesser than they mentioned ( yes i do have the CE version ).
*The canyon duels of the last to bosses were Too hard!..imo
*The drifting was Too easy ( unlike how i predicted it in the demo :| )
*Autoscuplt in kinda cool...but u get used to one type of setting.
*Astonoshing thing was the number of licenced rims...
*Opponents were kinda weird...Most Wanted had better ones..imo
*Ur crew members are quite useful during races.
*Cant modify the LeMans, Koingcegg or the BMW M3 GTR..and dunno about the Jaguar XKR....
*How the heck do u unlock the Pangi Zonda :?
*Ending is not dramatic and exciting or eventfull enough ...
*CANT SKIP THE CREDITS SCREEN AT THE END OF THE CAREER MODE

Yup ..thats all i can think of now.. ;)
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WonkaVW wrote:
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vellu wrote:Most cars are not available in career, only in quick race. Which is BIG BIG minus!

Agree about the navigation arrow, it should predict turns a bit sooner. Going at 200km/h+ there isn't enough time to make the turn after the arrow shows the new direction.
MW got same GPS issue tho, most of the tiems the pointer will show you where to go few moment before turn.
If it blinked the words "next left" or "next right", something to that effect it would be good.
It might. I never noticed the problem on MW myself, because you were never in a big hurry when the gps was enabled thus I was never going too fast for the arrows. On Carbon this however is not the case, since atleast the free roam challenges use the same gps arrow and that means you're going flat out. I actually lost a few challenges when I missed a turn or two because of this.
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TheStig wrote:If carbon is the best racing game ever, you never played a real racing game.
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: He thinks driving a lump of plastic brick faster than a turtle is racy and cool. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

I hate it when the server cuts you down in the middle of a race especially when you are winning. And the game just feels like a half-assed thing, story is odd, and there's nothing going on in free roam apart from those irritating cops preventing you from having a bit of fun, who the fack wants to play a game full of bastards on the road when you are fed up with speed cameras, traffic wardens and idiot drivers that don't know what they are doing everyday in the real world??????????!!!!!!!!!!
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^^^^ You sound angry man.

Why not go for a jog or something and calm down
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fasttasf wrote: I'm sure I was more disappoined than you are no matter how disappointed you are now....If you really like a game, you naturally take more time to find everything about it and look at the negatives, I have to say we are the really important customers that EA needs.
You seem very full of yourself if you believe you can be the most disappointed person about this game. I don't mind people bringing up some negative aspects of the game but the final comment about really liking a game and looking for the negatives. I try not to focus on the negatives. I try to focus on the positives. You don't even seem to bring up any positives about NFSC. I agree that the rubber-banding AI is frustrating but that is another reason why I use the Scout to show me the shortcuts. I have won many games just by taking the alleyways. I am into the last zone and it is very hard but I just unlocked the Vette. Look out, here I come!
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Ok, now that i have finished the game 100 %, i can give my review...

Storyline:

Storyline was cool, but the actors werent that good, escpecially that stupid Darius, Razor Callahan PWNED him in NFSMW, Cross is cool but apparently he just said about 10 sentences or less in the storyline. :roll: , Emannuelle was great, much better actor than Josie maran imo. overall the storyline was average.

Career:

Damn too short, i finished it in less than 8 hours while spending quite some time autosculpting my rides. Races are too easy too, even the bosses were driving crap.

Crew:

Useless, only liked the drafter, especially in Speedtrap races, gives you a nice boost of speed before the speed checkpoint, scouts are stupid, most of the time i'm the one who leads and he is supposed to be the one who guides me through the shortcuts :roll: ... Blockers sometimes block me instead of opponents.

Challenge series:

Not challenging as NFSMW's challenge series, they were still fun though.

Cops:

I loved the new AI of cops, they were much smarter than last year, and it was actually difficult to get away from them, level 8 heat was almost impossible to get away from. 8)

Cars:

Great cars, loving the different handling of each class, but disappointed that i couldnt use lots of cars in career mode, i mean i would have loved to play with the MR2, AE86, M3, but they were not there, and the Skyline got unlocked after i beated Darius. :?

Customization:

Part 1; Kits Autsculpting: A "one big lie" all i can say, you cant autosculpt the car in anyway you want like some of the EA dudes said :roll: , you are just given some ugly EA kits and you have 2 options; make them more ugly, or make them less ugly....is it hard to have some licensed bodykits EA ? :roll:

Part 2; Vinyls Autosculpting: Outstanding !!, there you can actually make millions of different combinations, lots of vinyl types and options, also having the ability to add 20 layers of vinyls make the vinyls customization so deep....that is the best thing in NFSC imo.

Graphics/Performance and Sounds:

Graphics are awesome, screw the PC demo, it looked like crap, the final game looks much better and polished, loving the fact that the game looks more like NFSU1 in some places like chinatown which i loved, performance aint that great though, the game runs with everything maxed out (except motion blur=off) on 1024x768 averaging 25-30 FPS, if compared to NFSMW...that would be half the FPS i got in it, however 20+ FPS cant be noticed, so i had no lag problems while racing.

Sounds are great as always, they are improved over NFSMW, some car sounds are just outstanding, a full tuned RX-7/Skyline is a beast, as well as the M3 GTR, muscles also have great roars.

Overall, the game is slightly improved over NFSMW, too short; i cant beleive i finished the whole game in less than 3 days, but as always still fun to play.

Overall rating: 7.8/10
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