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93360 · Post by **93360** » 17 Dec 2006, 05:41

GT3x24x7 wrote:From my tests, the 240 is faster than the bottom four Tier 2 cars (Monaro, Golf, Clio, Eclipse) and well ahead of all Tier 1 cars on most tracks. Simply put, if you haven't got a 240SX, you're gonna lose a Tier 1 race against anyone who can drive...

EDIT: Heh, just decided to take a look at one of xXxXXXxEvoxXXXXXasxdasd's speedtrap shadows - I knew something was amiss when he's posted a 1900+ speed at Stonewall. It's not exactly cheating, I'd say, but the guy gets high times by backing WAY up before each speedtrap and taking multiple runs at it until he manages to luck his way through the turns and get a good pass. Noob.

So the question now is, do we allow these runs? Strictly speaking, the game allows you to do it I guess. What do you lot think?

EDIT2: Just beat his speed at Stonewall by 50 kmh using his own methods. Won't be upping the shadow.

I agree with VG_Speed that stonewall tunnel is only good for testing one aspects of a car's ability, specifically its top speed. Why i think the 240sx is better than any tier2 car is because i mainly race canyon sprints and the occasional city circuit/sprint and on these tracks top speed is not necesarily the winning factor. I especially like to test cars on copper ridge beacuse of its technical race lines that rewards a cars abilty to carry speed in corners, has good cornering agility and also good responsive handling. Top speed may not be the 240sx's strong point but it makes up very well in all other areas which is why it's my car of prefernece in tier1 and tier2 races.

As for xXxXXXxEvoxXXXXXasxdasd's speedtrap shadows i guess its not "cheating" and all the guy is doing is basically hoisting a flag with "I am a big time n00b" written accross it by posting such speedtrap shadows. I did wonder how that "speed penalty" thingo would be implemented in the speedtrap races but i guess it just doesnt occur when there are 0 opponents.

mean2u · Post by **mean2u** » 17 Dec 2006, 09:34

I beat Darius today. 8 hours of Carbon. *Shudders*

Matthew · Post by **Matthew** » 17 Dec 2006, 10:50

I'm not a PC user, so since I can't upload my shadow, my opinion may not hold as much weight as those of you who play the PC version, but I personally think that that any records that have been achieved in this manner should be erased. I play online almost everyday on the 360, and I often wind up racing various different speed traps in my Z06 along with three or four other Corvette's, and to date, I've seen no one stoop to reversing as back as far as possible before taking their run at the speed traps. It might not be cheating in the sense that cheat codes and trainers have been employed, but in my opinion, it is cheating the spirit of the game.

Matt

Post by **GT3x24x7** » 17 Dec 2006, 12:07

Well there's the thing - his method can only work when there's no opponents. Otherwise he'd be hit with a speed penalty and also has to make it home within 30 sec of the lead car. It's peculiar to offline racing, but that's exactly what the shadow times are all about.

VG_Speed · Post by **VG_Speed** » 17 Dec 2006, 14:04

93360 wrote:I especially like to test cars on copper ridge beacuse of its technical race lines that rewards a cars abilty to carry speed in corners, has good cornering agility and also good responsive handling. Top speed may not be the 240sx's strong point but it makes up very well in all other areas which is why it's my car of prefernece in tier1 and tier2 races.

That is a good thing, since I built my Mazda3 and Elise Setups in Copper. I did it without NOS, which is bad because I believe that with NOS Mazda3 has more of an advantage then without it. Still, I did about 6 attempts for each car, so these times are absolutely not on the limit! And I didnt use any walls whatsoever. All clean lines.

The time I got for Mazda3 was 1m 14.5s. For Elise 1m 12.3s. Remember, NO NOS, NO WALLS, only 6 attempts. If I have the time, I will try to see if I can improve, although today will not be possible I think.

Cya!

EDIT: I was getting a little frustrated with how my Corvette is going, so I went to relax doing a few Copper Sprints with Mazda3 and Elise! ^^ I could do, in the conditions refered above, 1m 14.1s with Mazda3, and I think that is possible to break into 1m 13s. With Elise did 1m 12.0s, in the same conditions, with the exception I touched the wall on the bridge at the end, so was not clean. To break into 1m 11s is possible.
With NOS I didnt tested, because that will requite time, which I dont really have now, since lines and breaking points will have to be adjusted.

93360 · Post by **93360** » 17 Dec 2006, 16:48

iirc i could do a 1:12 with the bonus 240sx... will try it 2moz. but then again that is the bonus 240sx so i reckon i could do 1:10's or sumfin like that in a properly tuned up version.

Post by **GT3x24x7** » 17 Dec 2006, 17:09

Well today I didn't really do much that's productive with Carbon. I just spent a whole lotta time online getting more familiar with my cars. These consist of 240SX and Camaro SS for Tier 1, Elise and Charger R/T in Tier 2 and Carrera GT, Corvette and Murcielago for Tier 3. Gotta say I'm real happy with the tune on most of them.

On a whim, I also remodelled all cars with a common look, with the idea that you'll always be able to pick my car in a race. The common theme is matt black, with a little surprise vinyl on the rear end - cuz that's the part most people see!

One highlight was a race at Savannah Street - I was too busy talking to change to a Tier 3 car from my Elise in time. To my surprise, I beat out six (count em) Audis in that race, with two DNFing. Of course, there was the obligatory calls of Cheater! at the end, but one guy was impressed and hung around to see how it was done.

We raced Savannah maybe fifteen more times on the trot, him in an Audi and me trying all different cars. I never lost, but his times over a three lap race dropped considerably, to the point where he was only 15 sec behind me at the end. It was quite a marathon, but his thanks at being shown around a track made it really worthwhile.

I also ran quite a few online Challenge Series, with the Gold Shelby GT500 Challenge being a favourite. Man that car is a beast, but if you can tame it - it's awesome fun!

93360 · Post by **93360** » 17 Dec 2006, 17:27

GT3x24x7 wrote:One highlight was a race at Savannah Street - I was too busy talking to change to a Tier 3 car from my Elise in time. To my surprise, I beat out six (count em) Audis in that race, with two DNFing. Of course, there was the obligatory calls of Cheater! at the end, but one guy was impressed and hung around to see how it was done.

We raced Savannah maybe fifteen more times on the trot, him in an Audi and me trying all different cars. I never lost, but his times over a three lap race dropped considerably, to the point where he was only 15 sec behind me at the end. It was quite a marathon, but his thanks at being shown around a track made it really worthwhile.

loler doing a little bit of "coaching" urself eh GT?

i think the longest ive ever stayed on the same track with the same person would be copper ridge - prob about 24 races in a row, basically a similar situation. but sersly imho its n00bs with huge egos that give the audi a bad name/reputation. i mean its a good car and i like using it but whenever i race nubs (whether theyre in the audi or not), 90% of the time i will be labelled a cheater/hacker/@#$!&! etc or just simply called a n00b myself for even using it

VG_Speed · Post by **VG_Speed** » 18 Dec 2006, 15:09

Hi all!

So, I understand that 240sx can be modded? Is not just a Bonus Car?

A friend of mine who has it, is also from the opinion that 240sx can beat all Tier 2 Cars in Canyons, but not on Circuit and Sprints.

I really dont know what to think anymore... But if 93360 is not exagerating and you can really do 1m 10s in Copper, without NOS and without going to the walls... Then, you would be almost 1 to 2s faster then what I managed with Elise and less then 2s slower then what I managed with EVO IX.
So, if that is true, I think I would do something I hate just to think about and will hex edit my saveame. But I must be honest... I never saw Online a 240sx that is capable of what you guys are saying... I lost a Canyon Duel to a guy that was resonably good, by only 14000 points difference or so in my Mazda3.

Well, hopefully you guys will do some Laps. Maybe I will send some stuff to Leaderboard! ^^ I made a video by request of Condo Row, it's 2m 0s. 1m 59s is quite possible, since I did a couple of mistakes. Also made a 54s video in Silk with Corvette, without NOS, but Corvette can do low 53s there, at least, without NOS! =P

Cya!

Abrams · Post by **Abrams** » 18 Dec 2006, 15:28

lol, tryed to get one of three ex-bosses today, i have been trying this for million of times against his lambo with my half-tuned EVO, could get good amount of points but in 2nd stage he was overtaking me and blocking the road. So today i said to msyelf ill try 3 times and go get me breakfast. On first try with exactly same half-tuned EVO i pass him on 4th turn and overtake him, whole processo took less then half minute. I sat in front of PC looking into a wall. lol.

Post by **GT3x24x7** » 18 Dec 2006, 16:41

VG_Speed: Yes, the 240SX is available as a stock car by completing the Challenge Series in the Collector's Edition. It's fully tunable. See this topic for the lowdown: http://forum.nfsunlimited.net/viewtopic.php?t=13354

Canyon sprints aren't my specialty, as my shadow times show. Maybe 93360 would care to do a little 240 testing? Mate..?

VG_Speed · Post by **VG_Speed** » 18 Dec 2006, 19:01

GT3x24x7 wrote:VG_Speed: Yes, the 240SX is available as a stock car by completing the Challenge Series in the Collector's Edition. It's fully tunable. See this topic for the lowdown: http://forum.nfsunlimited.net/viewtopic.php?t=13354

Canyon sprints aren't my specialty, as my shadow times show. Maybe 93360 would care to do a little 240 testing? Mate..?

Yo!

Yeah, I see it now. That is interesting. Since it's tunable, I dont know, because people are lazy enough to only use Bonus one...l

Well, hope to see some times! ^^

Thanks! And Great post that other one!

Cya!

93360 · Post by **93360** » 19 Dec 2006, 10:35

GT3x24x7 wrote:Canyon sprints aren't my specialty, as my shadow times show. Maybe 93360 would care to do a little 240 testing? Mate..?

hahaa Orite mate! lol in that case can you help me out with a head start by sharing your performace setup of the 240sx with me since you're "real happy with the tune" of it

and i'll use it as a platform to try out other combinations. i just havent tried all the different setup combinations coz they take a very long time to test (only did one and managed to make it slower than the bonus car o.O). I'll be posting the shadow up on the carbon leaderboard

VG_Speed wrote:The time I got for Mazda3 was 1m 14.5s. For Elise 1m 12.3s. Remember, NO NOS, NO WALLS, only 6 attempts.

so im guessing this is the copper ridge sprint (not the duel) and you didnt ever use nos, not even off the line?

Post by **GT3x24x7** » 19 Dec 2006, 10:37

Check pm..

93360 · Post by **93360** » 19 Dec 2006, 10:46

Cheers GT =)

VG_Speed · Post by **VG_Speed** » 19 Dec 2006, 14:39

93360 wrote: so im guessing this is the copper ridge sprint (not the duel) and you didnt ever use nos, not even off the line?

Hi!

Yes, that is correct. I used Copper Ridge Sprint. I never used NOS (played Unranked Offline with NOS Off), and with the Mazda3 never touched the walls also. With Elise I touched once in the bridge. Times were 1m 14.1s to Mazda3 and 1m 12.0s to Elise. With my Setups and a few more tries I think it's possible to do 0.3s better, at least, on both.

Cya and thanks for your time on this!

TheNoobofFerraris · Post by **TheNoobofFerraris** » 19 Dec 2006, 16:00

Ignore this broadcast.

Post by **GT3x24x7** » 19 Dec 2006, 16:53

Maybe it's not too clear, but this topic is about what you did today in Need for Speed Carbon.

93360 · Post by **93360** » 19 Dec 2006, 17:05

<b>VG_Speed:</b> those times are pretty good actually, i posted up a 1:11.43 with the bonus 240sx an hour or so ago and i figure that it would be a good yardstick to compare times with different performace setups... but i did use nos so im guessing that would have given me a 1.5-2 second increase in performance perhaps? neways ive already managed to get a 1:10.7 or something like that with the new setups but didnt really bother to save it coz im aiming for a sub 1:10 or even better so.. yeah.. i'll continue testing 2moz, feeling sleepy =P

VG_Speed · Post by **VG_Speed** » 20 Dec 2006, 13:49

Hi!

Eheheh! Thanks!

Well, I have been reading more and more stuff, and more and more people agrees that for Canyons 240sx may even beat all Tier 2 cars... So, I am guessing that maybe it was me that just caught up with "Sunday Drivers"! :S
Still, I will see what I can do with NOS, but I find it unlikely I will be close to the times you say you can do. Maybe enter 1m 11s... Dont know... But more then that... Unlikely.

I will not have time in next days I guess... But if I do, I will try. Anyway, I think I am going to record some shadows maybe next week for the Leaderboard! ^^

Cya and keep me posted if any news develop! =) Thanks!

EcksOa · Post by **EcksOa** » 20 Dec 2006, 14:36

Did a couple quick runs on Copper Ridge sprint with some new settings on my 240SX after a few days away from the game.

Did about five runs, got down to 1:15.448 with no Nitrous. Did a 6 to 8 runs using NOS, got down to about 1:12.049. Edit: Got my time with no Nitrous down to 1:14.36x. Mid 14 range seems to be my average run with the 240 with my current settings today. Did about five runs all within a couple tenths of a second within each other.

I use a cheap steering wheel controller, and consider myself a bit below average as far as gaming ability on NFS. But I tend to play decently enough that I stay off the walls for the most part. Might get a wall tap here and there when experimenting with braking on certain key corners.

So take those times for what they're worth.

Edit: Changed the settings on the 240 again, got my time without any NOS down to 1:13.2xxx. Most runs were in the mid to high 13 range.

curtydc · Post by **curtydc** » 20 Dec 2006, 16:04

I played for about an hour working on some Reward Cards, I finally got 1,000,000 cash for the Chevelle... Lame car. I unlocked the Police Interceptor PD2 for the second time on a second save, and I've come to the conclusion that EA screwed the Playstation 2 over completely, they not only kept us from Online play, but they also took away some of our rewards, such as the PD2, I unlocked, but don't have it.

93360 · Post by **93360** » 20 Dec 2006, 16:52

EcksOa: forgot to mention my non-nos times with the bonus 240sx, i averaged about 1:13 flat with my quickest being a 1:12.9 or something like that... didnt record that shadow either but neways dont really care about it. ill be using nos in all my following tests since thats what we can do. it's only in canyon duels when the nos is disabled but then we cant even record shadows for it so... yeah.

EcksOa · Post by **EcksOa** » 21 Dec 2006, 04:31

93360 wrote:EcksOa: forgot to mention my non-nos times with the bonus 240sx, i averaged about 1:13 flat with my quickest being a 1:12.9 or something like that... didnt record that shadow either but neways dont really care about it. ill be using nos in all my following tests since thats what we can do. it's only in canyon duels when the nos is disabled but then we cant even record shadows for it so... yeah.

VG's posts had me curious about testing the 240 without NOS. Since I've decided to play a bit with tuning options, I laid off NOS as a sort of standard. On each run, I'm not all that consistent with NOS usage. Some I'll use more, some less. Laying off NOS, at least for me, helped me find the basic settings for transmission, turbo, and engine that helped me max out my time on Copper Ridge.

But I get your point about NOS. Makes sense since testing without it really doesn't apply to most racing situations on NFS.

Might take a few runs with the bonus 240 just to see what I can do on it with no NOS. I'm guessing that I'll be running at least a second slower than your time. Probably high 14 at the best.

evilmegamonkey · Post by **evilmegamonkey** » 21 Dec 2006, 05:03

Anyone want to try an FD challenge?