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steelsnake00 wrote:They're quick and handle well, but you've gotta put up with the world's worst road noise, yoghurt pot construction and the fact there's no power below 3000rpm. Oh, and they've got bone-shatteringly hard suspention which makes them horrible to drive on anything other than a perfectly smooth road. The 360 and 400 models seem to have an appetite for turbo's too.
The FQ400 has also a appetite for fuel :lol: At top gear they said it had the worst fuel economy they ever had in a car on their track. in consumed 1 littre within a Km wich is.... horrible.
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steelsnake00 wrote:They're quick and handle well, but you've gotta put up with the world's worst road noise, yoghurt pot construction and the fact there's no power below 3000rpm. Oh, and they've got bone-shatteringly hard suspention which makes them horrible to drive on anything other than a perfectly smooth road. The 360 and 400 models seem to have an appetite for turbo's too.
The FQ400 has also a appetite for fuel :lol: At top gear they said it had the worst fuel economy they ever had in a car on their track. in consumed 1 littre within a Km wich is.... horrible.
And they aren't that fast. The S2 cost me around £8k in total to build and it ate FQ360's and 400's for breakfast ;)
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steelsnake00 wrote: And they aren't that fast. The S2 cost me around £8k in total to build and it ate FQ360's and 400's for breakfast ;)
Stock Vs modified. :wink:
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Ya, the FQ comes with a warranty.
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boganbusman wrote:Ya, the FQ comes with a warranty.
But they won't replace any parts that actually go (tubo bearings, intercoolers/intercooler pipework usually) because the manufacturers tend to assume "hmm, he's buying a rally holomogation, so he's going to thrash the tits off it." Easy way of them getting out of replacing parts under warrenty- claim that they are caused becaue of the driver/driving style
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Can i get something out of a Opel Astra Classic II 1.6L Twinport?
(by something i mean some more performance or looks)
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BrontoX wrote:Can i get something out of a Opel Astra Classic II 1.6L Twinport?
(by something i mean some more performance or looks)
It's a Vaxhall, so as it was built in the last 10 years, no.
The only fast Vaxhaulls are built by other manufacturers- VX220 (Lotus) and Monaro (Holden)
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But in Mainland europe they are still build in Germany. and always where.
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If I were to buy the Evo, my insurance would be $140 a MONTH!!!

I guess I wont be buying and Evo anytime soon
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Cpt.Razkit wrote:If I were to buy the Evo, my insurance would be $140 a MONTH!!!

I guess I wont be buying and Evo anytime soon
I paid more than that per month on a Corrado VR6
Mind you, I was 18...
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im 19 and i pay 150 $ a month :?
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Im 25 and pay £1170 a year on the M3, and paid £311 on the 'Rado before it died.
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I'm 18 and I pay nothing. Go me!
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Im 20 and pay almost £2k tpft. It hurts...
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i dont even have a car! na im just 15
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Grez~Supra_RZ-S wrote:Im 20 and pay almost £2k tpft. It hurts...
I hated those days. My first VR6 cost me something close to 3k a year tpft
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Although I like the Civic as it is, I'm thinking of changing it abit.... don't worry nothing ricey :lol:

There are a few things I would like to have, to give it a more sporty look and upgrade the performance abit, but I don't want to loose any comfort and fuel economy.
With comfort I also mean engine sound. so I am not looking for a diffirent exhaust system, cause I am afraid a diffirent exhaust could get on my nerves :lol:

So I was thinking to do something that isn't done very often as change on a car.
To improve safety and deceleration... in other words, I am thinking of getting a brake upgrade.

I would love to get some big Brembo's on my car (pistons and size depends on what is possible) But I was wondering if it can be done for the EP3 Civic Type R.
I know they cost a fortune but I think it give the car a more sporty look, and some red calipers should look stunning with the black and the red details. And at the same time increase the safety of the car abit.

I also read about someone who sold his EP3 Type R with a LSD, I know this isn't a cheap upgrade also, but have no clue about what it would cost.

Is there a way to increase the engine performance abit without lowering the fuel economy and loosing comfort, I know stuff like a lighter flywheel gives a better responsonse but it also makes it slightly less comfortable.

Any other good suggestions?
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Get it chipped :wink: A new/reprogrammed/piggyback ECU can give you some extra performance without adversely effecting fuel economy or comfort. It's also a good starting point, if you decide to do more mods later. Only thing is, you will have to make sure you maintain your car properly. If you do, no worries.
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Ok, heres my advice.

1) Get a decent remap- you'll see more power and probably better economy when you're driving it slower. Also, pick up one of the Carbonio CAI kits from http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk and get it shipped over (alteratively see if you can find a dealer for them in the Netherlands). They're very good, not too noisy and look the mutt's in the engine bay. If you can, also pick up a decent SS manifold that will fit with the standard exhaust. These tend to free up power a fair bit

2) Then, for more power, your on to cam timing/regrinds/replacements, head work, big-bore throttle bodies and the like. All expensive stuff.

3) AP Racing to a 4-pot front bake conversion for the Type R's, but I don't know how much it costs. With this, you could move the standard twin-pot front brakes to the rear (may take custom brackets, but a machine shop will make these up for you cheaply. You may also need to upgrade your master cylinder (also braided brake lines and a full flush/new fluid will make a world of difference), but to the best of my knowledge it will all fit under standard alloys.

4) A Diff upgrade might not set you back as much as you'd think. If a similar car (such as an Acura RSX or Integra) was offered with an LSD, theres a chance it will fit onto your box. All you need to do it pick up the part from a breaker or specialist and fit it.

5) Bodywork wise, to match the colour scheme of your car, I've got a few recommendations:
-Get your hands on some split-rims. A set of 18" BBS Le Mans, for example, would look stunning on an R, with a dark grey/titanium centre and a polished lip. If you want something that really matches your colour scheme, Race Engineering do their C28 wheel in 8.5x18" all round in gloss black with a red lip.
-Roll out the arches a little so you can wind the car down low on Coilovers, With wide alloys, this will give the car much more road presence, and will also (in conjuction with things like ARB's or strut braces) sort the handling out a treat.
-CARBON CARBON CARBON. The R's look great as standard, but you can't go wrong with a LITTLE (not TOO much) of the black stuff to add that special edge. I'd say a CF rear spoiler and front splitter, but neither much bigger than standard. Then a carbon interior trim!

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For your exhaust woes, Id suggest a Buddy Club Spec 2. Its the ideal for an EP3 owner, nice and quiet on tickover, fairly smooth and quiet on journeys, and loud as hell when the VTEC barks. This coupled with a decent 4-2-1 manifold will give you some much needed low-end torque, and with a Hondata ECU (S200 seems to be a great unit), youll see that torque curve all through the rev range. The other great thing about the S200 is that there are so many programmes it can run. I read recently about an Accord Type-R owner who used it as his daily driver for the family, so didnt want the exhaust etc. He simply had the ECU mapped, so that only when the throttle was pressed with some determination would the VTEC activate. On a normal journey, the revs would rise above the VTEC actuation point, but the power curve would remain linear, rather than the massive hike usually associated with VTEC engines.

As for your brakes, there are two options. One is braided lines/uprated pads/ crossed/drilled rotors, and possibly some weight saving if you can live with it. The other is more expensive, but as you suggested, a big brake kit. I know for mine a ''big brake 310mm kit'' is around the £550 mark, although includes hoses/pads/lines etc. The next step up from that are 8-pots, which will rob of you around a grand in GBP. I would expect the EP3 to command similar prices. Four pots would more than suffice on a car like yours, though.

The lightened flywheel, coupled with a twin-plate clutch would be a healthy addition. On a daily drive in all honesty, the only real time you notice the flywheel is that it revs slightly free-er. A definite recommendation in my book.

As for the diff, I dont think you really need a good-spec diff unless youre planning on some track work. In all honesty, the same applies to the brakes. If you plan on seeing the track this year then thats excellent, although I would reccommend the weight-saving route first. I wouldnt want you to spend huge sums of money to dress the car up as something its not, thats all.

Other suggestions:

-Cams. Depending how much you use the car determines what duration to go for. I wouldnt go too wild, as the car will be lumpy as hell from idle, and will make the daily drive a nightmare.

-Coilovers. K-Sport do a cracking kit, fully adjustable as you'd expect, and for only around the £500 mark. Youll struggle to find better value for money. After my SX is sorted, theyre next on the wish-list.

-ITBs. This is a little OTT for road use, but I dont care what anyone says, the sound of a DOHC VTEC engine on ITBs is just as good as sex. Its also the only way to determine seeing 13s in on an N/A set-up.

-Wheels: Go for 15s. Ive only seen this once on an actual race-prepared EP3, they were Rota GT3s in red/polished lip, and they were 7inches wide. Not only do they look awesome when coupled with coilovers, but remember you have the achilles heel of FWD, once you start launching it like a man, wider wheels will help to eliminate scrabbling and the dreaded torque steer. These do look great with arch extensions too, as obviously at that width theyre going to stick out.

As for your initial question, Im afraid there isnt really a way to increase performance and maintain economy. Obviously making things more efficient is great with the likes of air filters/exhausts etc. But obviously (in a basic sense) to cope with this, the engine will add more fuel, thats just the way it goes. Dont be scared though, its not until you start getting daft that fuel consumption will become ridiculous. Besides, its always an anecdote, I always have people laughing at me for my whopping 9-11mpg. Hopefully a re-map will sort me out though... :roll:
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I'm not a track race junky, but I am planning to go to "the Ring" eighter this summer or next spring, depending on time etc.

I'm also not a "streetracer" so I don't want to make the car look like a boyracer toy, altough I do know it already worshipped by boyracers and ricers because it has a red honda badge and the type-R logo's, but I don't want to make my parking place to become a pilgrim place for VTEC worshiping boyracers :lol:

But I will sure look into the stuff mentioned, but most will also depend on price, I don't have a unlimited budget :D and the userfriendlyness, cause I am not the only one who uses the car (although 95% of the time I am) and it has to have the lowest ricer level :lol:
The Exhaust you mentioned does sound nice, cause I don't want something I will hear from low revs like some fartpipes, I need something decent that doesn't wake up the neighbours when I start the engine :wink:
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Grez~Supra_RZ-S wrote:The lightened flywheel, coupled with a twin-plate clutch would be a healthy addition. On a daily drive in all honesty, the only real time you notice the flywheel is that it revs slightly free-er. A definite recommendation in my book.
Won't a light flywheel make it harder to take-off during daily driving? :|
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I drove my friends Stage 1 S14A with a Fidanza lightened flywheel, and in all honesty the only thing I noticed was how much easier it seemed to rev than before.
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I need more vinyls for NFS Underground 2 :lol: ...Who can help me ?
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Wrong topic, try here http://forum.nfsunlimited.net/viewforum.php?f=2

And the game hasn't been cracked so vinyls can't be put in that game
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