$200K exotic car or $200K modified car?

Post by **TheStig** » 28 Aug 2004, 20:40

Drewb99 wrote:Bah, Ferarri 575M then. Can't say I've ever seen a Ferarri outrun by a M3 or a station wagon either

just wait a while. the current Audi RS6 officially can't keep up with a Ferrari 360 Spider, but only by 0.1 second to 60 MPH. and the Avant (stationwagon by 0.3 seconds) but the new generation luxury german muscle cars are coming, like the new M5 with a V10 and the New (even more powerfull then the current one) RS6.

Drewb99 · Post by **Drewb99** » 28 Aug 2004, 21:08

A Ferarri 360 isn't the best of sportscars either- it could probably be beaten by a Corvette Z06, bested in every way that counts by a Viper GTS

Should've been more specific in my definition of Ferarri, since even Ferarri has its share of (comparitively) cheapo baseline models. The cheap ones (360 Modena and Spyder, Testarossa, prolly a few others) are loud and have to revv to 8500 RPM to get any power, they feel cheap compared to stuff like the 575M and Z06. OT though, since we're far from $200k territory

And as a second though, maybe a non-exotic isn't such a bad idea. I wouldn't mind one of the 1000hp Hennessy TT Vipers

^Sparco^ · Post by **^Sparco^** » 28 Aug 2004, 22:36

WOW What a day!
I have seen a Ferrari 4** (I dont know, but it was an amazing grey Ferrari), then I staied with a girl.
When came back to home, I suddenly saw a stock orange 350z running in the street, it was a very beautiful color, between yellow and orange.
5minutes later I saw another 350z parked, this time was a grey one and lovely tuned. 20" french rims
40seconds later, I saw a Jaguar with muscle car look-like.
And 10minutes later I saw again the Ferrari I saw 4hours ago wow!!!!

So now Im sure: I want an exotic, I want that Ferrari!!!

Note: Im so excited because in my city we rarely see that kind of cars, I had only saw a Z in my life, and no much more. So see so many cars in a day... cool!! What a pity I havnt got my digital camera.

Edited: It was definetly the new F430 (click)

UrQuattro · Post by **UrQuattro** » 28 Aug 2004, 22:52

OK. may be to make it interesting, Bronco can post what he defines as "standard cars" that we'd tune and the list of 'exotics' for that money.

Than we all pick. Anyone can take up on that as well, and make the list really...

The answer? Anything I want. The car already comes with A/C, electric windows, carpets, radio. Thats 5-0 to the Supra from the start.

5/0 in comfort? well... That's a stretch. I know you are biased big time, but you can't seriously say a stock Supra has some sort of head start on stock ferrari! Carpets, radio, AC... I'm sure there are exotics that offer all that as well, may be not the Ferrari F40, which I believe you were referring to.

I'm not having too much defending the Ferrari, but since I picked it, I had to. This again comes back to the question of defining what's a NORMAL car and what's an exotic... I mean are you gonna call it the RS6 a normal car? It's definately not an exotic... So in order to continue this discussion, I'd like someone to define what's being put against what!

There is a lot more to defining the exotic as well... For example, i would love to actually own an old car, such as Porsche Spyder or do a full restoration on some Jaguar E-type... To me that's the exotic that can have a full personal touch you strive for, Grez. Having started restoring some rare Porsche I'd be praying to fit in the 200000 bracket!

bronco · Post by **bronco** » 29 Aug 2004, 11:29

200K can basically buy any jap import right? so basically anything i guess in the range of

lets say skyline to eclipse or whatever.

and i really dont know what 200k exotics there are, maybe a porsche? how bout you guys list them down. and its gota be in the 200k region if not people start to think why not buy an exotic for 50k and mod it for 150k. gets confusing.

and there should be no option for modifying exotic cars. theres only 200k modified import or just plain exotic. cause if modified exotic cars are on the menu, it gets crazy and too complicated. besides after spending 200K on a exotic i doubt youd have any money left over for mods.

and whats wrong with saying you own a 200k skyline? id be damn proud of it, knowing i got so much extreme mods on my ride that will easily kill any car in any area. and then the person who asked whod start flipping out trying to find all the mods, but if i was in a porsche most people wouldnt bother asking how much it is cause they know its "too much".

and i full support grezs last post, omg a hand made car like the aston with no air conditioning?! wat the hell?

and urq wat are u talking about? of course id get a kick from just destroying an exotic which was labelled as fast! to know all that hard work and knowing your baby just obliterated a car that is classified as the fastest or fast. to get that feeling of, hey! my non-exotic car just killed an exotic! its just insane, cause with the name exotic comes the word fast cars, its almost always together. this you have to agree with me. so when u kill its main factor of speed by using a modified car you leave nothing but the badge to be admired. and sometimes the looks

and you cant buy a 2000hp supra, nobody knows the actual price, unless you calculate all the mods price tags. well lets see how much a 2000hp exotic cost, WOOPS! there isnt a 2000hp exotic is there? the highest is the 1001hp bugatti veyron which is basically a whale on steroids cause its so heavy with too much wasted hp. why would u bother?

and how do u know urq that the parts used in the ferrari arent the best there is? maybe there was a better part that could have been put in it that wouldve made it better. you dont know that do you? youre just trusting the name ferrari for excellent performance. you dont actually know thats the maxed out performance. and whatever the case is its still STOCK. but with an import, you pay cheap for it, any part you dont like, chuck it out, slap on the biggest baddest meanest part money can buy. now thats performance not even ferrari can match.

and its true you wont get your money back for either one, but with an import after modifying it to your preference why would u want to sell it? after those long hours days and months waiting for the car to come back from the garage from being worked on or modified to perfection to the owners liking. you wouldnt want to sell it. and if something else needs work, bam! just change it! but with an exotic theres only so much it can offer, each car has a lil of specs and lil ding dangs that look good but afterawhile its like "neeh... the popping out cup holder was fun the last couple of times(saab 93 covertible)".

Post by **Bojan** » 29 Aug 2004, 12:09

Here are prices of a fewinteresting exotic models:

2004 Aston Martin DB9: $155,000.00-$168,000.00
2004 Aston Martin V12 Vanquish: $234,260.00
2005 Chevrolet Corvette: $43,445.00-$51,445.00
2004 Dodge Viper: $81,090.00
2005 Ferrari 612: $247,850.00-$259,855.00
2004 Ferrari 575M: $217,890.00-$228,339.00
2004 Ferrari 360 Modena: $151,245.00-$186,950.00
2005 Ford GT: $139,995.00
2004 Jaguar XK: $69,330.00-$92,330.00
2004 Lamborghini Gallardo: $165,900.00
2004 Lamborghini Murcielago: $279,900.00
2004 Lotus Esprit: $93,255.00
2004 Maserati Coupe: $81,013.00-$85,174.00
2005 Mercedes-Benz CL-Class: $93,900.00-$177,500.00
2005 Mercedes-Benz SL-Class: $89,900.00-$179,000.00
2004 Porsche 911 Carrera: $68,600.00
2004 Porsche 911 Carrera 4: $84,000.00
2004 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S: $83,400.00-$93,200.00
2004 Porsche 911 GT2: $191,700.00
2004 Porsche 911 GT3: $99,900.00
2004 Porsche 911 Turbo: $118,400.00-$128,200.00
2004 Porsche Carrera GT: $440,000.00
2004 Saleen S7: $430,000.00

ShinyG · Post by **ShinyG** » 29 Aug 2004, 12:47

Who sez that a 200 grand riced ride can beat a 200 grand exotic !?! Do you guys really think that an overpowered soap-box like a Civic or Eclipse or a Supra or a Skyline can beat the heck out of a F40 or a Porsche GT3/GT2/Turbo ?

Let's be onest now! Maybe on the quarter mile the soap-box wins, but on a circuit like Nurburgring it doesn't stand a chance! Roads have turns too!!! A bald-headed idiot once said that he lived his life a quarter mile at a time! I live mine a full trip at a time, turns, braking parts, overtakes and all !

Do you think that, let's say, some aftermarket springs and shock absorbers by <you name it> producer can match up with some made by Porsche and tested for thousands of kilometers?

"Power is nothing without control!" (Pirelli)

My choice on that 200G car is a Porsche GT3 with some mods by Gemballa! Don't get me wrong, I like modifieds too, but they just can't match up to a sporty, classy, luxury exotic!

Post by **TheStig** » 30 Aug 2004, 00:39

ShinyG wrote:Who sez that a 200 grand riced ride can beat a 200 grand exotic !?! Do you guys really think that an overpowered soap-box like a Civic or Eclipse or a Supra or a Skyline can beat the heck out of a F40 or a Porsche GT3/GT2/Turbo ?

Let's be onest now! Maybe on the quarter mile the soap-box wins, but on a circuit like Nurburgring it doesn't stand a chance! Roads have turns too!!! A bald-headed idiot once said that he lived his life a quarter mile at a time! I live mine a full trip at a time, turns, braking parts, overtakes and all !

Do you think that, let's say, some aftermarket springs and shock absorbers by <you name it> producer can match up with some made by Porsche and tested for thousands of kilometers?

"Power is nothing without control!" (Pirelli)

My choice on that 200G car is a Porsche GT3 with some mods by Gemballa! Don't get me wrong, I like modifieds too, but they just can't match up to a sporty, classy, luxury exotic!

a GT3 and luxury???

UrQuattro · Post by **UrQuattro** » 30 Aug 2004, 01:07

^^ It ain't economy!

exonn · Post by **exonn** » 30 Aug 2004, 11:15

i just have read all posts in this topic (i taked a lot of time btw) and am comfused.... first i thought that i prefere modified car like skyline then i changed my mind and now am totaly comfused... but i think i'll pic one of the ferraris

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 01 Sep 2004, 18:43

OK ShinyG, seeing as you are the literacy challenged here, Ill deal with you first.

60 in just over 2 seconds, 260mph. Thats what a modified Supra with over 1000hp to the wheels can give you. (stats taken from Suprastore owners demo car before it was sold for 75k). The Supra and Skyline are both track proven cars. Thats RWD cars. If we take a look at RC Developments 930bhp Evo 6, that will embarass any Porsche stupid enough to race it, track or strip. referring to them as 'Soap Box Cars' shows you as an ignorant troll. Refrain from using it in the future or I will be forced to shoot down all your posts.

This thread is too vague to give an exact answer. There are some exotics I would buy, some I wouldnt. Some imports I would buy, some I wouldnt. If we had the choice of 2 specific cars, it might be easier.

bronco · Post by **bronco** » 03 Sep 2004, 14:29

the fact of the matter is. you can make any import match any performance or luxury part of an exotic. thats undeniable. but u cant make a import match its badge to the exotic badge. and thats also undeniable.... i personally would pay 7grand for a nissan silvia, drop a godzilla engine rb26det with T88 garrett ball bearing turbo. a crackin load of mods for about the other 150 000. and then ill go hunting for all you guys who picked exotic and ill make sure i got enough video cameras on the back of my car to show you how far back you are.....

theres a supra here in melbourne, the older model one... you know whats its license plates say? I8A4RE(i ate a ferrari)..... and he actually does eat ferraris. you know why?..with a 600KW monster engine under the hood he would eat ferraris and lambos and aston martins and whatever other car you can throw at it. end of story.

marshallpre1 · Post by **marshallpre1** » 11 Sep 2004, 08:51

well once again, the 2jz-gte powerplant of the supra is no joke... its far from a joke... it has proven itself over and over again, against anyone, against anything, be it exotic or anything else for that matter.... my choice is obvious- Supra RZ-S... i ve loved that car even before i knew guys are supposed to love cars... lol

DrewBoi · Post by **DrewBoi** » 12 Sep 2004, 08:05

Grez~Supra_RZ-S wrote: If we take a look at RC Developments 930bhp Evo 6, that will embarass any Porsche stupid enough to race it, track or strip. referring to them as 'Soap Box Cars' shows you as an ignorant troll. Refrain from using it in the future or I will be forced to shoot down all your posts.

Hey i read about that RCD Evo 6 in my super street magazine ( i bought it to look for rims) and all i can say about that car, i would take over a ferrari almost anyday except if i want to pick up chikks...

but i think i would take a 200k tuned car instead of a 200k exotic because you can modify the car to the specs you want and with a exotic, i am pretty sure that there isnt really that much you can do to "my knowledge"....

ViperJay · Post by **ViperJay** » 12 Sep 2004, 18:21

well...I'd like to have a tuned beast, but then the police will bring it the first time I go for a ride...and I'll have to pay another $200,000 for various illegality...
...so, my choose is an exotic...Ferrari obviously...I love the 360 Modena, or an older one, like the 355, or the 512TR

BurnBoy · Post by **BurnBoy** » 12 Sep 2004, 22:05

Quite simply.... I'd get either a Vanquish (Pure Brittish Bulldog)
or a Ferrari 360 Challenge StradelÃ© (Its a track car but I'd out-buy Ferrari to give me one!!)

But at the same time a modded RX-8 might be nice or a convertable eclipse...

I've got it, i'd take a supra and have it specially modified to make it a convertable, then mod it... Look good and a babe magnet!

Fredstar · Post by **Fredstar** » 02 Oct 2004, 03:53

Personally, I would get the $200k exotic car.

A modified $200k import car would show your personality and taste.
A $200k exotic car would show your hard work and success.

Lets face it, the world's supercars AREN'T Skylines/Supras/NSX (im not saying they're bad) the real supercars are the Ferrari's/Lamborghinis/BMWs/McLarens that symbalises passion and dedication.

drive2droad · Post by **drive2droad** » 02 Oct 2004, 08:55

an exoctica would be a far better choice as they r meant for speeds like this & passion & style is natural with it ! u just cant pump that into a supra !

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 02 Oct 2004, 12:45

Youre so wrong on that point I dont even know where to start explaining it, so i think Ill leave you in the knowledge that, simply put, youre wrong.

ViperJay · Post by **ViperJay** » 02 Oct 2004, 23:28

Fredstar wrote:...Ferrari's/Lamborghinis/BMWs/McLarens that symbalises passion and dedication.

I don't think BMWs can be named supercar...not if you do this with Ferraris & Lamborghinis too...

PSZeTa · Post by **PSZeTa** » 03 Oct 2004, 00:07

ViperJay wrote:
Fredstar wrote:...Ferrari's/Lamborghinis/BMWs/McLarens that symbalises passion and dedication.
I don't think BMWs can be named supercar...not if you do this with Ferraris & Lamborghinis too...

The McLaren F1 engine comes from BMW.. Would that make it a supercar factory?

ViperJay · Post by **ViperJay** » 03 Oct 2004, 00:30

BMW builds also F1 motors (Williams) but I still don't think a 6series is a supercar, I think it's just a car for rich people, if they like it

Post by **TheStig** » 03 Oct 2004, 02:07

then you can call Ford, Honda and Toyota also a supercar brand... cause they make F1 cars...

but I personally don't think BMW is a supercar brand.

they make pretty fast cars... but..

PSZeTa · Post by **PSZeTa** » 03 Oct 2004, 02:16

Every brand can make a fast car.

But that doesn't make it a supercar factory. A supercar handles and speeds up as the best. But still, Japs run them out.

Post by **TheStig** » 03 Oct 2004, 02:29

and supercars are alsp about styling.... they are eyecatchers for sure..