The Official Holden vs Ford Thread!

VPNeverLoser · Post by **VPNeverLoser** » 11 Oct 2004, 01:40

stig said his favorite so i decided to say my favorite

you got a problem with that?
just joking mate

cr@Zy · Post by **cr@Zy** » 12 Oct 2004, 21:37

Well I'm personally a Rotary engine fan. But the only way i think that is fair to say who is the best manufacture is who wins Bathurst and this year it was Greg Murphy and Rick Kelly in the Holden Commodore Kmart race car.

For those who don't know about Bathurst it's an 161 Lap 8 Hour endurance race in Australia between Holdens and Fords.

Drewb99 · Post by **Drewb99** » 12 Oct 2004, 21:58

Kangaroo hit at Bathurst

Either way, the kangaroo loses

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 13 Oct 2004, 10:53

cr@Zy wrote:Well I'm personally a Rotary engine fan. But the only way i think that is fair to say who is the best manufacture is who wins Bathurst and this year it was Greg Murphy and Rick Kelly in the Holden Commodore Kmart race car.

Yes, Greg Murphy won in a Holden Commodore, and he was followed by SIX FORDS.

And perhaps you don't realise this, but all V8 Supercars are almost identical, and they are nothing like the road cars they represent.

@Drewb99: I was watching the race when that happened. It was absolutely crazy. At least the kangaroo died for a good cause . . . trying to take a Holden out of the race.

cr@Zy · Post by **cr@Zy** » 14 Oct 2004, 00:00

That kangaroo was amazing but i'll quote a lame movie "It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile winnings winning" Well I don't really care just aslong as Murph won it.

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 14 Oct 2004, 12:33

Well I don't care as long as Marcos Ambrose (Ford) wins the championship . . . again.

And he will.

jacoja06 · Post by **jacoja06** » 29 Oct 2004, 14:33

I cant choose between AUSSIE , ford, or holden, because they are both really good, and I love them !!!!

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 29 Oct 2004, 16:34

Well you have HSV in your sig and HRT on your avatar so I am guessing that you lean towards Holden more than Ford . . .

delsonist · Post by **delsonist** » 06 Nov 2004, 16:05

Ford and Holden both Have Strong Points....

Ford have copped unfair criticism over the less than Admirable success of the AU Falcon Series...

The BA on the Other Hand saw the Birth Of FPV and the XR6 Turbo.....a god send as far as i am concerned. The XR6 Turbo Is a Falcon (family sized sedan) with a Turbo Charged 4.0injected DOHC Straight 6 that produces ample power (240kw i beleive) and tourque (a lot of Nm i know)....But their V8's are not all that great... A FPV built 290 only pulls in reality around 230-250 Kw. A Mildly Modified Pursuit only managed 268.

I Witnessed a STOCK VYII Clubsport (claimed 285kw) Pull 310 on a DD dyno. Another on the Same day pulled 295 Kw. Also a SS Ute with Cold Air Int. Pulled 231kw.....

While fords BA Success is admirable, the Ability of Holden to Tune the Rather lumby Ls1's to pull impressive numbers stock, is also very cool.

'There has never been any hard evidence to suggest any real advantage in having DOHC' - MOTOR Magazine.....

Even More impressive are the old school holdens.... Still today the one tonner lives on, and still running strong.

The red block 202.....decades later and still running strong

love to see a 250 x-flow (A newer motor) still run like those blocks do now....

I like holdens, while ford have had theit moments, holden still strike me as superior...

and anytbody that uses V8 supercars as a gauge, is a tool...

*pauses**looks up*.....wow

delsonist · Post by **delsonist** » 06 Nov 2004, 16:06

oh and FORD = Faster On Race Day

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 07 Nov 2004, 01:45

Where the f*ck did you get your info from?

Why do you think a Boss 290 is called a Boss 290? Because it has 290kW! Anyone who tells you otherwise is a knob.

And there is no way in hell that a stock clubsport can make 310kW. it's more like 265kW. Even a stock Senator only makes 300kW.

And anyone here will tell you that DOHC is better than pushrods.

Recently Holden have been struggling to keep up with Fords engines, and if they stick with the LS1 then they will be struggling for a long time.

If you still believe that you're right, then let's see some proof.

Post by **TheStig** » 07 Nov 2004, 01:54

advantages DOHC to pushrods:
- lighter
- higher RPM option
- you can get more valves on a V type engine then with pushrods so more air in the engine...

delsonist · Post by **delsonist** » 07 Nov 2004, 14:44

I get my Info from reading, driving, talking and the Internet.

I do not own a Scanner...mmm Performance ford magazine features 290 powered Pursuit pulling only 268....and its modded

yet a clubsport still beats the crap out of a GT...*pauses*...mmmmm

meh.

i witnessed it with my own eyes at the Holden V Ford Motor show. (the clubsports owning dyno readout)

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 08 Nov 2004, 01:31

Maybe it was a crap dyno? I dunno.

The point is, Ford would not be allowed to claim a power figure of 290kW if it didn't have 290kW!

Maybe the engine mods on the pursuit caused it to have less power and more torque?

delsonist · Post by **delsonist** » 10 Nov 2004, 17:05

It was a Dyno Dynamics Dyno so errr im almost sure they are pretty good.

As for the Pursuits mods that is possible i suppose... a little odd because theyre only bolt on mods and no forced induction. mmm....

ford mire than likely got 290 on paper, or on an engine dyno? on paper would be the more likely answer, if they can show how they got it they can claim anything.

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 11 Nov 2004, 03:02

The Holden vs. Ford Nationals are on again soon in Melbourne.

Then we will see.

delsonist · Post by **delsonist** » 12 Nov 2004, 13:52

those cars arent stock, they are no grounds for comparing the two makes...

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 12 Nov 2004, 14:00

WTF?! You said that you witnessed these power figures at the Holden vs. Ford Nationals.

That is why we are dicussing this, isn't it?
We have been talking about that show this whole time.
Now all of a sudden you have changed your mind . . . WTF?

Sweeper · Post by **Sweeper** » 12 Nov 2004, 15:04

I am with rotary engines and Mazda.
Well this is either Ford or Holden eh? Well I can actually sit enjoying because I am with both

Ford owns parts of Mazda
But Mazda has a history of the Roadpacer, where GM was interrested in the rotary engine, in return we got a Holden chassis to meet the Japanese demand for a rotary luxery car.
However, it was too heavy to be attractive and the engine wasn't big enough (2 rotor) so it became a failure, and GM lost interrest in the engine.

Thats Mazda's ties with em

I still like rotaries more. but nor Ford, nor Holden has em, so, I'll sit on the fence here and enjoy the show.

ants · Post by **ants** » 12 Nov 2004, 23:54

Hey guys, its Holden for me.
I think there great cars.
I must admit i dont really like the VY series. I love the VX though.

I also love the 2005 Mustang. I think thats a great car made by ford.

anway i made a website about holden's.

check it out and leave some feedback on the guestbook if u want. http://www.fullycommodores.cjb.net

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 13 Nov 2004, 03:10

Sik u re?

Man let's go crusin in your VL turbo wiv subwoofers bro.

lol only joking mate. Welcome to the forums.

delsonist · Post by **delsonist** » 13 Nov 2004, 13:00

yes, but here (perth) bums show up and show off their clubbys, i doubt there would be many at the melbourne show....

OOoOoOOoOo, my rims are shinier than yours !!!!

My Clubsport is lower

but the clubsport was stock, not modified. I used the modded ute as an example to show fords lackiong in the v8 dept[/quote]

delsonist · Post by **delsonist** » 13 Nov 2004, 13:05

must admit i dont really like the VY series. I love the VX though.

how can you not like the VY....meh its all your opinion i spose....

I find the VY SS the only ss with a decent bodykit, even the new ones are too conservative (the lack that hint of aggresiveness that the vy ss bodykit had)....

oh well all to their own.

Andre_online · Post by **Andre_online** » 13 Nov 2004, 14:01

I voted for Ford. I know this reason may sound stupid, but the only reason why I voted for Ford is because I love the Mustang alot!!

boganbusman · Post by **boganbusman** » 13 Nov 2004, 14:06

lol That's not stupid.

At least you don't like Holdens.

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