nfsu2's first god car

SmokyTyrz · Post by **SmokyTyrz** » 23 Nov 2004, 18:55

Ah well, to each his own. I'm an American-muscle type driver, and you're into ricers. But you did put some words in my mouth and exaggerated a bit.

First, all I said was that if you put the same amount of money into the Mustang that was put into that 240 then you'd have a more powerful and more streetable car. There's no way that you can tell me that the situation would be otherwise. You simply can't make more power with the tiny little motor in a 240sx (and I assume we're talking about the 2.0 liter SR20 motor) than you could with the 4.6 that's in the Mustang. Given the same investment you will always make more power with the bigger motor. I know all the rice-burner fans want to believe that their 4-cyl engines are magical little powerplants so I should probably put on my flame suit. But the fact is that dollar for dollar you will, on average, squeeze out more power in a reliable and more durable fashion from a larger displacement motor than you will from a smaller displacement motor.

And I beg to differ about the limited availability of aftermarket parts for an 05 Mustang. It's not like they reinvented anything. It's just another crappy modular 4.6L motor with new heads and cast in aluminum. There are plenty of parts available for the motor because they have been making 4.6L upgrades for quite some time now. I assume you're not talking about bolt-ons like exhaust, airbox, etc. because a) we all know the bolt-ons aren't real upgrades in terms of making real power and b) it takes only a couple months to re-engineer the old parts to fit on the new hangars and mount points.

I'm really not trying to be a shaft, but I read over and over and over about how this ricer could beat that American V8 because some magazine said it could (and PS: that magazine with all the skimpy girls was sponsored by the parts they are preaching about). This myth has spread over into NFSU2 which is why a Stage 3 Miata or 240SX can take a Stage 3 GTO, Mustang, Supra, etc. It's upsetting because it perpetuates the myth. I just couldn't take it anymore and had to say something.

FYI...I've owned everything from an Eclipse to an Integra Type R (98), and from a Firebird to a Corvette. Worked on each, modded each, raced each. I know exactly what all these types of cars are capable of. And the old saying rings true yet again...there's no replacement for displacement. Period.

marshallpre1 · Post by **marshallpre1** » 23 Nov 2004, 19:32

well i agree... little four bangers shouldnt be the best cars in the game... but its a game and u cant do anything about it, so if u wanna compete online, u have no choice but to use the best...

BTW i use the rx7 cause its a sexy beast

i refuse to use the 240sx

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 23 Nov 2004, 20:13

SmokyTyrz wrote:Ah well, to each his own. I'm an American-muscle type driver, and you're into ricers. But you did put some words in my mouth and exaggerated a bit.

You read me wrong. Very, very wrong. These so called 'ricers' are in every bit as much of a race car as a WRC Impreza, or an F1 ferrari. Why? Not because the performance is matching, but because they were purpose built. The S13 we talked about was purpose built as a drag car. If you have the cheek to call a car which runs 11s a ricer, then go ahead. but you come off as an ignorant domestic troll so far.

First, all I said was that if you put the same amount of money into the Mustang that was put into that 240 then you'd have a more powerful and more streetable car. There's no way that you can tell me that the situation would be otherwise. You simply can't make more power with the tiny little motor in a 240sx (and I assume we're talking about the 2.0 liter SR20 motor) than you could with the 4.6 that's in the Mustang.

Wrong again. We talked equal cash amounts for power, with an RS13 against an 05 mustang.

I can go out and buy right now, an RS13 for less than 1k. Some are selling for as little as Â£600 with nothing but minor cosmetic shortfalls. I feel that, being an American, you need educating on the UK spec 200sx S13. It comes standard with the 1809cc CA18DET engine, an inline 4 turbocharged engine. 169bhp, 60 in 6.7 seconds, and 140mph top end. I can invest in some fairly minor mods and see 300bhp, all for pocket money. With 300bhp, the car would, with a good driver, run very low 13s, and according to a performance calculator, would break the 12 barrier. From here, power is quite hard to come by, and expensive. Not bad for a 1.8 engine, and around 5 grand including the car. To compare, say we're running 13.2, just as an example. Well, thats faster than a Skyline, Supra, Corvette, Camaro, Ferrari 355 to name but a few.

Now we can buy an 05 Rustang. Oh wait, no we cant because 5k isnt enough for an 05 mustang. So, for a budget, 200sx 1 - 0 mustang.

Well, seeing as we're resorting to stereotypes here, what with an RS13 now being a ricer for no apparent reason, you have to have some spare change for the hairdressers on the way back from the dealer to have your mulet shaped properly. You dont want it flapping around while the country and western music is blaring out now, do you.

Given the same investment you will always make more power with the bigger motor.

I think we've just covered that. It all depends on what the investment is. Exception to every rule

I know all the rice-burner fans want to believe that their 4-cyl engines are magical little powerplants so I should probably put on my flame suit.

Still coming off as an arrogant troll im afraid. This forum is mainly full of youngsters aspiring to learn about cars after playing the game. There are no ricers here that im aware of, just a community of knowledge hungry kids.

I'm really not trying to be a shaft, but I read over and over and over about how this ricer could beat that American V8 because some magazine said it could (and PS: that magazine with all the skimpy girls was sponsored by the parts they are preaching about). This myth has spread over into NFSU2 which is why a Stage 3 Miata or 240SX can take a Stage 3 GTO, Mustang, Supra, etc. It's upsetting because it perpetuates the myth. I just couldn't take it anymore and had to say something.

I hope to whatever god you believe in that youre not trying to incinuate I gain knowledge from such magazines? I can see youre fairly new here. If you notice my signature, youll notice it says 'Now grezs brother'. My brother was on here for a while, sharing knowledge with a large amount of the people here, and he drives a Supra TT (hence the name). My knowledge is derived from 5 years of tuning with him, and going to nearly every event in the country with him. Im insulted that you were trying to infer that I read magazines which people buy because theyre not old enough to buy porn, and want to look interested in cars.

FYI...I've owned everything from an Eclipse to an Integra Type R (98), and from a Firebird to a Corvette. Worked on each, modded each, raced each. I know exactly what all these types of cars are capable of.

I beg to differ. You know what your cars were capable of, not all cars of the same kind. Besides, comparing a DSM to a Corvette is a little like comparing apples and oranges. Why not compare a Civic to a viper while youre at it?

And the old saying rings true yet again...there's no replacement for displacement. Period.

Its called 'better technology'

You might laugh at the Civic that gets bhp/litre and call him a ricer. But the rest of the world laughs at you, when youre creating 8l engines with 500bhp. If you want to take a look at real cars, and ignore the imports vs muscle debate, then try some of the TVR models, lotus etc.

I hope youll reply and prove me wrong, but so far, you seem like just another domestic troll, refusing to accept the engines are outdated and that they can be defeated in any form of racing by any other car. Its sad really.

Jmac- · Post by **Jmac-** » 23 Nov 2004, 21:46

There's an FJ20ET powered S12 running 9s ...

club-s12.org is down, though ... otherwise I'd post the video of it doing 9.63 ...

GuilleX · Post by **GuilleX** » 23 Nov 2004, 23:32

People... i think this is a Pointless discussion... the game is the game... i don't know if 2 standard 240SX and a 05 mustang can race and who will win.... but for me... in da game... the 240SX will do it...
Too bad... the 05 Mustang is a very viewtiful (jeje) car... and it sound like gods (i love that)... if in the real life you put in fron of me a 240SX and a Mustang(any model) i would SURELY prefer the Mustang...
Anyway... the both of the car are cool! and its better than driving a Meari or a Beatle...

C ya guyz

Jmac- · Post by **Jmac-** » 23 Nov 2004, 23:45

I still can't believe Ford is still using the extremely outdated non-independent suspension on the new model ... Thumbs down for that ... They've been using the same suspension for how many decades now ? Updating it is basically beating a dead horse ... Mind you, I haven't actually driven the new Mustang, but the older ones handle poorly and I'd expect no less from an updated version of the same suspension ... Also, I think the older 'Stang looks better ('04), although this one is slightly wider and has a signficantly longer wheel base (better stability) ...

SmokyTyrz · Post by **SmokyTyrz** » 24 Nov 2004, 01:07

Fair enough. I don't mean to come across as a "troll". I guess we (maybe just I) got bogged down in the details of the comparison. I admit it was my mistake...I thought we were talking about building two street "racers", not a purpose-built drag car as you say your friend's 240 is.

Also, my argument was based on bang-for-buck investment into an existing car. I wasn't talking about the initial investment in the car. Since this discussion spawned from how the game treat's car dynamics I had assumed (perhaps wrongly) that we were not discussing the initial cost of buying the car. Given that, if you ignore the initial investment then what I said rings true. Dollar for dollar you will get more power out of the bigger motor than you will from the smaller one. It's just physics.

And all the technology is nice I agree. Without it we couldn't make the power we are making today, even in the big motors. But some it isn't all that necessary. An excellent compromise is the LS1 motor. Lots of technology stuffed into a very old-school small-block, pushrod design.

I also did not mean to insult you. I was not necessarily inferring that *you* acquired your knowledge from the typical street racer mags. I was just concerned that was what I was dealing with. I also felt it worth mentioning because I think the car culture as a whole will suffer quite a bit over the next 20 years because the kids reading those mags today may be designing our cars in the future. It really scares me. You can see it already starting to happen in the industry with automakers jumping on the bandwagon with cars like the Matrix and the Pscion. Pimp garbage.

Anyway, as GuilleX said, it is just a game so I digress. I would like to hear more about your brother's Supra. I happen to love those cars very much.

Cheers,

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 24 Nov 2004, 02:11

Im glad to say my image of you was incorrect. A troll would have carried on the argument, while you agree there was a misunderstanding. Ive looked through some of your other posts too, and its nice to see someone with a comprehensive knowledge of cars. Anything you want to know about his car, and Ill do my best to answer.

GuilleX · Post by **GuilleX** » 24 Nov 2004, 02:56

Well Guyz... SmokyTyrz seems to be a guy that knows what he's talkin about... i'm glad to have him here because frecuently i'm wrong on some points in Cars World...
And he is a nice persona! Congrats Man!

Now... goin' back.... wich car will be the best? i'm driving the RX7 all LvL3 parts and he is pretty good at Sprint.. Outrun and Circuit races... for Drag and Drift it will do the job... for URL will be a good car(but sometimes estanding at 2Âº you may need a lot of NOS)... and for Street X will rock you ride... if you get a little ahead... you will be unreachable...
Does anybody knows wich car will surely win on URL Races? for me they are VERY VERY hard(now in the middle of the game i found that i'm playing on HARD dificulty)

XSVSPD · Post by **XSVSPD** » 24 Nov 2004, 04:38

SmokyTyrz wrote:Ah well, to each his own. I'm an American-muscle type driver, and you're into ricers. But you did put some words in my mouth and exaggerated a bit.

First, all I said was that if you put the same amount of money into the Mustang that was put into that 240 then you'd have a more powerful and more streetable car. There's no way that you can tell me that the situation would be otherwise. You simply can't make more power with the tiny little motor in a 240sx (and I assume we're talking about the 2.0 liter SR20 motor) than you could with the 4.6 that's in the Mustang. Given the same investment you will always make more power with the bigger motor. I know all the rice-burner fans want to believe that their 4-cyl engines are magical little powerplants so I should probably put on my flame suit. But the fact is that dollar for dollar you will, on average, squeeze out more power in a reliable and more durable fashion from a larger displacement motor than you will from a smaller displacement motor.

And I beg to differ about the limited availability of aftermarket parts for an 05 Mustang. It's not like they reinvented anything. It's just another crappy modular 4.6L motor with new heads and cast in aluminum. There are plenty of parts available for the motor because they have been making 4.6L upgrades for quite some time now. I assume you're not talking about bolt-ons like exhaust, airbox, etc. because a) we all know the bolt-ons aren't real upgrades in terms of making real power and b) it takes only a couple months to re-engineer the old parts to fit on the new hangars and mount points.

I'm really not trying to be a shaft, but I read over and over and over about how this ricer could beat that American V8 because some magazine said it could (and PS: that magazine with all the skimpy girls was sponsored by the parts they are preaching about). This myth has spread over into NFSU2 which is why a Stage 3 Miata or 240SX can take a Stage 3 GTO, Mustang, Supra, etc. It's upsetting because it perpetuates the myth. I just couldn't take it anymore and had to say something.

think u might be a little wrong there mate..

to do up a v8 is alot more expensive than a 4cyl... 4cyl jap parts are cheaper than a custom made V8 part...

for instance, i own a nissan skyline R31, heavily moded NA (not turbo yet for insurance reasons), a set of custom "spagetti" extractors cost me $450... my mate got an off the shelf set of pacemakers for his VS commodore (v8) and cost him $500... mine are about custom and get well better flow than his, so i see that being a little unfair..

to buy a supercharger for a V8 brand new cost $4000 and well above... a turbo can cost brand new only $2000 and above... and the turbo will get more power in the end..

4cyl cars are wayyyyy cheaper to mod because there is less metal and resources needed to build items..

cams, pistons etc.

4 brand new forged pistons for a 4cyl... say $1500... now u need 8 of these for your engine, so instantly double the price..

your say $30000 will go alot further on a 4cyl than a v8, and the jap car will have alot more power in the end

Post by **TheStig** » 24 Nov 2004, 05:50

want displacement?

get a Container carrier like this one the P&O Nedlloyd Rotterdam.

specs:

streigt 12

around 70.000 Kw of power (98.000 BHP!)

displacement.... not in CC, litres or anything like it but in cubic Meters!
don't know all the exact specs but for a fact you can stand up streigt in one of the cilinders (standing on top of the piston!) the cilinders are a meter in diameter!

so want more displacement??

Drewb99 · Post by **Drewb99** » 24 Nov 2004, 07:15

Hubbahwhah? A KA24DE can run 300hp easily on stock internals and only needs to be built up if you're going for more than that- 502hp isn't unreasonable at all (a bit low, even). Look around some of the 240SX forums and you'll find people running even higher, more around 600hp on a KA24.

And a note- The C6 Corvette has a 5.7l V8 and a leaf spring suspension, enough to be consitered archaic until you see that it can outrun an M3 CSL on both straightaways and corners (beat dang near everything on Top Gear, despite how much the hosts downplayed it and the car being driven to hell).

Jmac- · Post by **Jmac-** » 24 Nov 2004, 07:47

GuilleX wrote:Well Guyz... SmokyTyrz seems to be a guy that knows what he's talkin about... i'm glad to have him here because frecuently i'm wrong on some points in Cars World...
And he is a nice persona! Congrats Man!

Now... goin' back.... wich car will be the best? i'm driving the RX7 all LvL3 parts and he is pretty good at Sprint.. Outrun and Circuit races... for Drag and Drift it will do the job... for URL will be a good car(but sometimes estanding at 2Âº you may need a lot of NOS)... and for Street X will rock you ride... if you get a little ahead... you will be unreachable...
Does anybody knows wich car will surely win on URL Races? for me they are VERY VERY hard(now in the middle of the game i found that i'm playing on HARD dificulty)

Miata is the best for Street X in my testing ...

As for URL races, they've been quite easy for me ... The key is to not get spun around by the other racers ... Obviously knowing your braking points and turn-in points helps (I'm assuming you know that you should approach a corner from the outside and get as close to the inside of the turn as possible without hitting the wall) ... Running clean laps helps considerably as it refills your Nitrous about half a tank ...

I'm on Hard and I haven't found the URLs to be too difficult ... I have more difficulty with Sprints/Circuit because of traffic, but they're still pretty easy for me ...

Moosehead115 · Post by **Moosehead115** » 24 Nov 2004, 08:10

Personally i'm a fan of big motor cars. I drive a '92 5.0 mustang, which in my opinion is one of the most readily tuneable cars available. Stock it comes with approx 205 horsepower (flywheel) 300 ft/lb of torque... with Heads/Cam/Exhaust (and a few other minor parts) it can get over 350 RWHP mark easily.... swap in a slighlty larger 351W windsor... you can get somewhere around 440 horsepower out of one of those on PUMP GAS, without having a peaky power band either (a few "secrets" involved in that one...) Oh and we are talking naturally aspirated as well, no blowers or nitrous involved.

As usual Smoky Rules

GuilleX · Post by **GuilleX** » 24 Nov 2004, 16:55

F***... i will have to get better then...
Tnhx 'bout that little help (and yes... i already know about that way to do curves)... i will keep trying URL races until i be the best

Sprints and Circuits are not that hard.... always remember.. you can use the traffic at your favor.... and... get this attached to your brains and you will be succesfull... keep sayin' "I'M GOD AND THE TRAFFIC MOVES LIKE I WANT AND IF I WANT TO WIN... I WILL"
I'ts just a way to "mentalize" for winning...get serious personality... and you will have serious gaming... but don't forget this... if you get mad... better get away from your game.... it seems that he feels it... and it uses that against you... gettin you more and more and more mad...
Cya guyz

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 24 Nov 2004, 17:49

Look around some of the 240SX forums and you'll find people running even higher, more around 600hp on a KA24.

Im actually part of a 200sx club. We have some American members too, and none have heard of 600bhp on a KA motor :S

to do up a v8 is alot more expensive than a 4cyl...

Again not true. For around 10k, you can have a sub 10 Fox body. No 4 cyl in the world will run sub 10s with that little investment.

SmokyTyrz · Post by **SmokyTyrz** » 24 Nov 2004, 18:35

Grez~Supra_RZ-S wrote:Im glad to say my image of you was incorrect. A troll would have carried on the argument, while you agree there was a misunderstanding. Ive looked through some of your other posts too, and its nice to see someone with a comprehensive knowledge of cars. Anything you want to know about his car, and Ill do my best to answer.

If you get a moment shoot some pics of that Supra to me: [email protected] And just curious..if your bro is running a Supra what are you driving?

Drewb99 · Post by **Drewb99** » 24 Nov 2004, 21:40

The KA24(D)E's a DIY engine, there's pretty much squat in the way of aftermarket so you won't find huge numbers of high-hp engines. Still-

linky
The guy claims to run 543hp with 464ft/lbs tq at 29lbs boost, says his goal is to hit 700hp. From the way he talks, I'd certainly beleive it.

dyno

The setup he has ran 504hp origionally, which is possibly where EA got their number. Googling around found me a few KAs in the reigon of 530hp, and while I can't find internet proof of a ~600hp, I keep hearing the occasional rumor of a few 600hp KAs running 10s around the world and one about a 700hp KA24E (sounds BS, but certainly interesting). It's pretty certain that a KA could do 600hp anyway, but nobody really wants to risk blowing their engine up for the sake of proving their engine (sissy pansies).

Grez~Supra_RZ-S · Post by **Grez~Supra_RZ-S** » 24 Nov 2004, 23:01

Interesting stuff, Ill be sure to pass it on. Keep me updated on the possible 700bhp, Id like to see that.

Toolplusplus · Post by **Toolplusplus** » 28 Nov 2004, 13:57

So what's the "God car" for normal races that require a bit more handling etc?

I mean, things like URL, StreetX, Circuit, Sprint.

Or are these races more dependant on your ability to corner rather than the handling of the car.

Jmac- · Post by **Jmac-** » 28 Nov 2004, 22:01

In my experience ...

AE86/Miata for Circuit, Sprint, StreetX, and URL ... AE86 seems to handle a lot better than the Miata, but I still usually end up with an equal time with the Miata ... Well, except StreetX, I'm consistantly faster with the Miata in StreetX ...

SkyZinne · Post by **SkyZinne** » 29 Nov 2004, 01:32

Im mainly looking for Spreint, URL, and Circuit. All that other crap I dont like.

DarrenR21373 · Post by **DarrenR21373** » 29 Nov 2004, 03:06

I've found the Audi TT to be a good all rounder, particularly StreetX and drift.

My other favourite is the Pontiac GTO, although it tends to spin out a lot.

SodiumB · Post by **SodiumB** » 29 Nov 2004, 03:30

Scotty_ wrote:btw do cars clock out in the game as in hit a certain speed and cant go any higher?
Cheers!

Scotty

Cars will hit a speed and not be able to go any faster, but a fair amount of the time they won't get to it in a drag race, because there are obstacles you need to dodge, and sometimes the races simply aren't long enough.

gregmtech · Post by **gregmtech** » 29 Nov 2004, 18:28

you should try playing around with gears cause i got (sory no pics yet ps2 user ) my supra under 5.8 to 0 100 and 3.1 to 0 60 ...
same for the TT and the sky. get strait 7.7 to the 1/4mile (i saw some guy can remerber where do a 7.02 )

so power insn't all , gearing does most .... if you don't have torque , don't let the gears go below the power range.

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