Well, that's kind of what I tried to do in my earlier posts...that is, explain how to generally tune for your purposes. I kept it simple, but not intended as an "idiot's guide" cuz I don't think y'all are idiots.
But for NFS U2 purposes, the main things I know right now is that if you want a good drag car, get a 240sx. If you want a good circuit or URL car, get a Corolla. I have not tested cars sufficiently for other race modes yet, but the Corolla is SO good at handling that u should use it for any road/race course type event (including Outrun). I suspect the Corolla COULD also be the the to use for drift because it has a lot of inherent oversteer before you tune it out, but it's not that controllable so maybe not. I haven't done enough drifting yet to really test it out but as soon as I do I'll let you know (or maybe someone else will try it out?).
To tune a Corolla for road course and URL, it's actually very easy. Drop it almost all the way down, max all the suspension settings out, then zero out the rear sway bar. Tune your tranny for 215-218 mph top speed. 1st and 2nd gears should match top to bottom from one gear to the other and 3,4,5th should overlap each of their following gears by several clicks. This will give you good accel but still maintain excellent top speed (which the Corolla can hold through corners...eg, I can take most turns on the Garibaldi Run at a minimum of 150 mph, some at 180-190mph). Tune your ECU and Turbo for your driving style and remember that NFS U2 determines the dyno curve by adding those two curves together. That's about all you need to know for the Corolla. Real easy to set up.
If that's not clear let me know and I'll be happy to explain further.
Cheers,
Tuning for dummies
RX7s are great cars...in real life. But they won't stand up to the Corolla in NFS U2. Just read my posts above and you'll find notes for tuning rwd cars like the RX7. Or, as I was going to do for Aggressive, I can tune an rx-7 on this end and give you the specs. However, I highly recommend you just go with the Corolla. Ya ya, no one wants to drive an old car. But in it's day the top-end Corolla's with the suspension packages were actually good cars. I guess someone at EA Canada has an old-school flair in their preferences.
Plus, if you want to be competitive (especially for ranked races) then you should go with the Corolla. Nothing else will stand up.
IMHO, the game would be MUCH more realistic if there were player leagues that resigned to a policy of never modding beyond stage 1 or 2. Once you put on stage 3 mods then the "game dependencies" show up, and you see which cars were favored by the designers, rather seeing how cars would perform realistically. No chance in hell that a 240sx with stage 3 mods would take a GTO or Mustang with Stage 3 mods in real life. But in the game the playing field changes quite a bit once you cross that threshold.
In fact, some of the most fun racing I've had with my online buddies is when we use stock cars, or very mildly modified cars. Then the each car's true character really shows through.
Anyway, bottom line is you should go with the Corolla if you want to win races. If you just want to have fun then I'd be more than happy to tune an RX7 for you.
l8r
Plus, if you want to be competitive (especially for ranked races) then you should go with the Corolla. Nothing else will stand up.
IMHO, the game would be MUCH more realistic if there were player leagues that resigned to a policy of never modding beyond stage 1 or 2. Once you put on stage 3 mods then the "game dependencies" show up, and you see which cars were favored by the designers, rather seeing how cars would perform realistically. No chance in hell that a 240sx with stage 3 mods would take a GTO or Mustang with Stage 3 mods in real life. But in the game the playing field changes quite a bit once you cross that threshold.
In fact, some of the most fun racing I've had with my online buddies is when we use stock cars, or very mildly modified cars. Then the each car's true character really shows through.
Anyway, bottom line is you should go with the Corolla if you want to win races. If you just want to have fun then I'd be more than happy to tune an RX7 for you.
l8r
If I want to win races u think I should chose a CorollaSmokyTyrz wrote:
Plus, if you want to be competitive (especially for ranked races) then you should go with the Corolla. Nothing else will stand up.
Anyway, bottom line is you should go with the Corolla if you want to win races. If you just want to have fun then I'd be more than happy to tune an RX7 for you.
l8r
If u say so
But (there's always a 'but') I win races easily in ranked play with the RX-7
I don't know y u think the Corolla is the only car with which can win races
Maybe how I think the only car is RX-7
What are ur best times which u have made with ur Corolla - I'm very curious
and yes - this car is for fun (can't access online mode
) - give me some tips plzWell, one example time that comes to mind is on the test track. My best time was 1:04.xx without using nitrous anywhere on the track. And I still think I can squeeze that to 1:00 flat.
Why can't you access online mode?
I guess what I'm trying to convey is that my suggestion to use a Corolla isn't really opinion. It is actually the best handling and fastest overall car when using stage 3 mods. You have to get past your perceptions of the car, especially how you see it in the real world. This is a game, and this is the car that EA chose to make the best handling car. Like I said before..it's not the fastest. It's usually slowest off the line, and the accell is barely on par with other cars. BUT, once you're up to speed you can stay there unlike other cars which really have to slow down.
Put another way: IF you know the track you are racing on like the back of your hand, AND you are driving a stage 3 Corolla using the suspension settings I mentioned above, then you will always win. Ie..it will come down only to driver skill at that point.
Cheers,
Why can't you access online mode?
I guess what I'm trying to convey is that my suggestion to use a Corolla isn't really opinion. It is actually the best handling and fastest overall car when using stage 3 mods. You have to get past your perceptions of the car, especially how you see it in the real world. This is a game, and this is the car that EA chose to make the best handling car. Like I said before..it's not the fastest. It's usually slowest off the line, and the accell is barely on par with other cars. BUT, once you're up to speed you can stay there unlike other cars which really have to slow down.
Put another way: IF you know the track you are racing on like the back of your hand, AND you are driving a stage 3 Corolla using the suspension settings I mentioned above, then you will always win. Ie..it will come down only to driver skill at that point.
Cheers,
Keep in mind that I got that 1.04:xx time without using walls and hitting my braking zones and apexes. It's my belief that the actual tracks included should be driven appropriately, ie. without wallriding. The situation is a little different on the city circuit tracks.
Why don't you like URL tracks? For me they are the most fun because they are real tracks. The circuits are fun too but IMHO they are the "arcade" portion of the game while the URL tracks are the "sim" portion of the game. But to each his own. Really it's all very fun. But the URL portion reminds of Gran Turismo.
You never answered my question earlier about why you can't race online. If you can manage an online connection I'd like to take my Corolla and your RX-7 (after we've tuned it) and go head to head with you. I think a side-by-side comparison would help to fully convince you.
l8r
Why don't you like URL tracks? For me they are the most fun because they are real tracks. The circuits are fun too but IMHO they are the "arcade" portion of the game while the URL tracks are the "sim" portion of the game. But to each his own. Really it's all very fun. But the URL portion reminds of Gran Turismo.
You never answered my question earlier about why you can't race online. If you can manage an online connection I'd like to take my Corolla and your RX-7 (after we've tuned it) and go head to head with you. I think a side-by-side comparison would help to fully convince you.
l8r
Hi Smoky,SmokyTyrz wrote:
To tune a Corolla for road course and URL, it's actually very easy. Drop it almost all the way down, max all the suspension settings out, then zero out the rear sway bar. Tune your tranny for 215-218 mph top speed. 1st and 2nd gears should match top to bottom from one gear to the other and 3,4,5th should overlap each of their following gears by several clicks. This will give you good accel but still maintain excellent top speed (which the Corolla can hold through corners...eg, I can take most turns on the Garibaldi Run at a minimum of 150 mph, some at 180-190mph). Tune your ECU and Turbo for your driving style and remember that NFS U2 determines the dyno curve by adding those two curves together. That's about all you need to know for the Corolla. Real easy to set up.
If that's not clear let me know and I'll be happy to explain further.
Cheers,
What do u mean by zero out the rear sway bar? Is it that we leave the front sway bar in its default setting and adjust the rear one such that is the same as the front one?
Even though the dyno says a top speed of 219mph (after adjusting drivetrain, ECU & Turbo), I only managed to reach 194mph max. Why?
Any recommendations?
Thanx!!!
Ya, the top speed is a tricky one in the Corolla. I've noticed this as well. Even when using the limiter remover, you still seem to hit one. Best I've figured to do is to set the top speed above what you need. If I find anything new about this I'll post it. Additionally you can't always go by what the dyno #s say as far as top speed. Instead go by the speed measurement on the tranny setup screen. Even still, the Corolla has some sort of unremovable rpm limiter that prevents it from spinning all the way up.
What I mean by zero'ing our the rear sway bar is to turn it all the way down. I should have been more specific about that since the sway bar measurement goes to negative numbers. Not sure what a negative swaybar means, but I guess that's how they do it in NFS U2. At any rate, you'll want to max out the front sway bar, and minimize the rear bar completely. This seems to make the oversteer manageable. There is still a bit of oversteer when you reach the limit. And when you hit that limit it is sudden and can be severe, but fortunately easy to catch if you move fast enough. The good news is that you good bit of handling before you reach that limit.
You can then use the shocks and springs to tune further, but I keep mine maxed out to make the car's reactions "snap" if I do happen to pass the limit on the car and go into oversteer. This makes it easier to catch and makes the car behave more like a go-kart.
What I mean by zero'ing our the rear sway bar is to turn it all the way down. I should have been more specific about that since the sway bar measurement goes to negative numbers. Not sure what a negative swaybar means, but I guess that's how they do it in NFS U2. At any rate, you'll want to max out the front sway bar, and minimize the rear bar completely. This seems to make the oversteer manageable. There is still a bit of oversteer when you reach the limit. And when you hit that limit it is sudden and can be severe, but fortunately easy to catch if you move fast enough. The good news is that you good bit of handling before you reach that limit.
You can then use the shocks and springs to tune further, but I keep mine maxed out to make the car's reactions "snap" if I do happen to pass the limit on the car and go into oversteer. This makes it easier to catch and makes the car behave more like a go-kart.
Well, let's start by you telling me what your current tune is not doing for you. Too much oversteer? Understeer? Is it snapping between the two? When does the problem occur? Throttle on? Throttle off? Turn entry? Turn exit? A mixture of the above? Give me more details and I can help you tune the bad stuff out.
Also, email me with all of your settings to [email protected] Take screenshots of the ECU and Turbo curves, and your tranny settings. Then just write in each of your settings for your suspension, aero, etc. Then I can duplicate your setup and based on the replies you give me to the questions above I'll be able to recommend a good tune.
Do it soon though...I'm heading out of town for the holidays soon.
Cheers,
Also, email me with all of your settings to [email protected] Take screenshots of the ECU and Turbo curves, and your tranny settings. Then just write in each of your settings for your suspension, aero, etc. Then I can duplicate your setup and based on the replies you give me to the questions above I'll be able to recommend a good tune.
Do it soon though...I'm heading out of town for the holidays soon.
Cheers,
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Nitro_Blast
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Not sure what you mean. Are you saying that when you steer right (nose turns clockwise if you were looking at the car from above) that the rear "lets go" and goes left (clockwise)? That is called oversteer and you just need to stiffen the front and/or soften the rear settings. Start with the sway bar (and maybe read the earlier posts, cuz all this is covered).
If you mean you steer right and the tail follows and goes right (counter-clockwise) then I'm not sure, cuz that doesn't make sense. Maybe you're hitting the brake while turning? Otherwise your rear settings must be either WAY to stiff or WAY to soft.
Explain the situation in more detail and I'll have a better idea of what's going on.
Thx
PS: Vankata, sorry I been out of touch. Holidays and what not. Anyway, I think we may have resolved your handling questions over email and PM's. Do you still want settings forthe RX7 or were you able to figure out a good tune on your own from our conversations? If the former then let me know. I have some time today and tomorrow to whip something up for ya.
If you mean you steer right and the tail follows and goes right (counter-clockwise) then I'm not sure, cuz that doesn't make sense. Maybe you're hitting the brake while turning? Otherwise your rear settings must be either WAY to stiff or WAY to soft.
Explain the situation in more detail and I'll have a better idea of what's going on.
Thx
PS: Vankata, sorry I been out of touch. Holidays and what not. Anyway, I think we may have resolved your handling questions over email and PM's. Do you still want settings forthe RX7 or were you able to figure out a good tune on your own from our conversations? If the former then let me know. I have some time today and tomorrow to whip something up for ya.
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aggressivej0
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SUP SMOKY! HOWS UR HOLIDAY BRO?
Sup smoky...its been a while huh?
help me with my corolla bro...its all level three no uniques
please give me the set-up for small maps like freemont and providencia
and set-ups that fits on using NITRO..i cant still play online so i wanna join the guys on the COMPETITIONS thread..their running offline stats there...checked it out coz i think its getting hot THERE...(about using some walls and nitro hehehe)
and also give me no. on ECU and TURBO pls
ayl put it in my corrolla as soon u reply...thanks bro! hope we can bump and rool online soon! ur the best!
help me with my corolla bro...its all level three no uniques
please give me the set-up for small maps like freemont and providencia
and set-ups that fits on using NITRO..i cant still play online so i wanna join the guys on the COMPETITIONS thread..their running offline stats there...checked it out coz i think its getting hot THERE...(about using some walls and nitro hehehe)
and also give me no. on ECU and TURBO pls
ayl put it in my corrolla as soon u reply...thanks bro! hope we can bump and rool online soon! ur the best!
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Nitro_Blast
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The setups I sent you are for higher speed tracks (as I noted). You'll have to tune for the smaller tracks by tweaking that setup. Should only need minor adjustments depending on the problems you are experiencing.
Plus, don't forget that with any setup there are limits. On the slower tracks you still have to slow down and downshift for the turns.
Cheers
Plus, don't forget that with any setup there are limits. On the slower tracks you still have to slow down and downshift for the turns.
Cheers
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Lord_Jereth
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Thanks bunches to all who posted their tips for tuning. Although they were pretty much in line with my own findings I still found a few pointers to help me tweak things even farther. I personally found the Celica to be the best "all around" car for my needs and the easiest to tune. This thing is a rocket now! So good in fact that I just won a unique ECU that boosted things even farther. Geebis! In the words of an ancient Beach Boys song " ... and if she had a set of wings, man, I know she could fly."
I, personally, think this topic should be made a sticky. I'd wager a fairly high percentage of the new users to this forum are signing up to get exactly this kind of info. I know I did!
Thanks again,
LJ
I, personally, think this topic should be made a sticky. I'd wager a fairly high percentage of the new users to this forum are signing up to get exactly this kind of info. I know I did!
Thanks again,
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It is just me or can anyone else not get a stage 3 skyline to get over 190mph in circut.
I have civics and celica's dusting me in the long runs and they reach speeds past 220mph. the most i can get my car stats in dyno are:
0-60 2:38 seconds
0-100 6:74
top speed 216mph
torque 378
hp 509
also if i get smaller size wheels would that help on handling etc.
any info would help for my skyline.
btw thanks for the help with the over/understeer.
I have civics and celica's dusting me in the long runs and they reach speeds past 220mph. the most i can get my car stats in dyno are:
0-60 2:38 seconds
0-100 6:74
top speed 216mph
torque 378
hp 509
also if i get smaller size wheels would that help on handling etc.
any info would help for my skyline.
btw thanks for the help with the over/understeer.