need advice now

El1jonMC305 · Post by **El1jonMC305** » 01 Apr 2005, 19:28

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... 00&CatId=0

can you guys check this computer out, and tell me if it's good, and if it's a good deal, i could be buying it today later on, i just wanna make sure im buying the right thing.

i currently have, 2.8 sepron,80 gb hard drive,512 ddr ram,radeon 128 mb 9600 series, creative audigy zs pro sound card

El1jonMC305 · Post by **El1jonMC305** » 02 Apr 2005, 01:20

w.e then, don't help out

EmptyWords · Post by **EmptyWords** » 02 Apr 2005, 02:48

major rip off. definetley way too much money for the things you get. you should order parts seperatley, and put it together. youd save like... 1000

prince1142003 · Post by **prince1142003** » 02 Apr 2005, 08:41

more than that.. i put together an alienware equivalent with dual gfx card support for only 660 bucks... true, the current gfx card sucks, but still... a whole pc including case and windows xp pro cd for 660 bucks.. that's a good deal

Nasadus · Post by **Nasadus** » 02 Apr 2005, 11:30

Well,there's nothing wrong with that PC but it's a bit pricey.If you know where to look you can pretty much get a PC with the same specs for half that price.

master m · Post by **master m** » 02 Apr 2005, 14:08

$2.700

That's way too much for what you get.
You should buy/oder every part sapperatly, like I did. It much cheaper and you get the things you want

PSZeTa · Post by **PSZeTa** » 02 Apr 2005, 14:10

No Pentium for gaming, that's all I'm saying.

^Sparco^ · Post by **^Sparco^** » 02 Apr 2005, 15:49

Damn, that PC is awesome... but I wouldnt pay 2000+ for it.

El1jonMC305 · Post by **El1jonMC305** » 02 Apr 2005, 16:16

okay, thank god i didn't buy it, thanks alot guys. I can actually buy everything seperately, because my older brother builds computers.

can you guys help me out to make a list of the stuff to buy to make a bad ass computer? price limit let it be 3000, i could do it my self, but im not that computer genious and i don't really exactly know everything you need to get a computer running.

please help guys, i wanna buy my computer already lol. im hard headed :x

^Sparco^ · Post by **^Sparco^** » 02 Apr 2005, 17:15

Well... If I had 3000buckets I would get:

Case --- AIRSILVER+ --- 52,26 â‚¬ (doesnt include Power Supply)
MAINBOARD --- Gigabyte GA-K8NXP-9 --- 206,25 â‚¬
CPU --- AMD K8 ATHLON 64 3400+ SK754 --- 186,32 â‚¬
MEMORY --- 1Gb DDR2 533Mhz KINGSTON 240PIN 222,95 â‚¬
HDD --- 200Gb SATA MAXTOR 7200 8MBcache --- 96,25 â‚¬
POWER SUPPLY --- 550W 3R SILENCE DINAMIC RPS --- 67,09 â‚¬
DVD WRITER ---.PLEXTOR DVD-R/+RW PX-716A 16X DL RETAIL --- 125,78 â‚¬ (Bulk = 114,77â‚¬...)
GRAPHICS CARD --- SVGA 256MB XFX GF6800 ULTRA PCX 613,66â‚¬
SOUND CARD --- SoundBlaster AUDIGY 2 ZS --- 86,92 â‚¬
LCD --- Samsung 193P --- 599â‚¬
MOUSE --- Logitech MX700 (the mx1000 sharp is weird...) -- 52,45â‚¬

Total = 2302â‚¬ = 2992.6$ (to the limit LOL)
(Spanish Prices....)

Im sure that you can find those LCD and gfx card for a better price

The bold things are the best with no doubt IMO.

PSZeTa · Post by **PSZeTa** » 02 Apr 2005, 18:54

I wouldn't get S754. S939 is what AMD focuses on, and it has the dual channel function. And I really doubt about your power supply. That price for 550W? I don't believe it. I bet it gives a lot less then the ''promised'' 550W.

Motherboard: ASUS A8N-SLI Premium (At least, if and when it comes out) Price: ? (Deluxe = 160 Euros)
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3200+. Price: 200 Euros)
Memory: Any 2x 512 sticks, PC4000 or higher. Price: Around 350 Euros.
HDD: What you prefer and current usage. Recommended connection is Serial ATA.
Power Supply: Enermax NT 701AX W SFMA. Price: 200 Euros.
GPU: XFX GeForce 6800 Ultra x2. Price: 559 Euros x 2 = 1118 Euros.

Around 2200 Euros. Which is about 2850 Dollars?

For the case.. I recommend a big tower, with a good brand. Don't take a cheapass one.

El1jonMC305 · Post by **El1jonMC305** » 02 Apr 2005, 19:29

thanks alot guys but my nearest computer store is tigerdirect, they have a website....

tigerdirect.com

can you guys make a list like the ones you did but relying on what tigerdirect has, i don't want to buy the stuff online, i wanna make sure i got a good list, and be able to just go to tiger direct and tell them i want this stuff, and hand them the list.

thanks alot for the feedback, but can u guys check out tigerdirect instead and rely on there stuff, or just tell me the nessecary and things i need to run the computer, i already have a keyboad,mouse,speakers,sound card, i just want a new motherboard that can support a bad ass cpu, i want bad ass ram, sick video card, and a bad ass tower....let me know guys

thanks...btw can you guys see if the stuff also fits on the motherboard also, for example make sure the cpu is compatible, thanks alot guys

PSZeTa · Post by **PSZeTa** » 02 Apr 2005, 19:57

Motherboard: ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe. 185 Dollars.
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 FX-55. 840 Dollars.
Memory: Corsair TWINX Dual Channel 1024MB PC3200 Registered ECC Memory (2 x 512MB). 385 Dollars.
Power Supply: Enermax EG851AX-VH 660Watt 24-Pin Power Supply with Power Factor Correction. 250 Dollars.
GPU: XFX GeForce 6800 Ultra x2. 550 Dollars x 2 = 1100 Dollars.

2840 Dollars..

As for the case..

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... CatId=1510

I have the same, only mine is silver and is made from aluminium. Those two are made from steel, therefore, twice as heavy. I think you should decide yourself about what case you want. The Xaser III from above has excellent cooling abilities, but is really heavy, unless you have the silver aluminium version.

Oh, and about the motherboard. Try finding out when the Premium version comes. The Deluxe version has a real irritating chipset cooler, that is going to rattle after a month. The premium version is using a different kind of cooler.

^Sparco^ · Post by **^Sparco^** » 02 Apr 2005, 20:18

PSZeTa wrote:Motherboard: ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe. 185 Dollars.
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 FX-55. 840 Dollars.
Memory: Corsair TWINX Dual Channel 1024MB PC3200 Registered ECC Memory (2 x 512MB). 385 Dollars.
Power Supply: Enermax EG851AX-VH 660Watt 24-Pin Power Supply with Power Factor Correction. 250 Dollars.
GPU: XFX GeForce 6800 Ultra x2. 550 Dollars x 2 = 1100 Dollars.

2840 Dollars..

Damn! Do you think he is millonaire?? If he is, then OK, but that is an awesome waste of money.

1st: to spend 840dollars in a CPU is a crime (in some months that same processor will cost half its today's price). AMD A64 3600+, or even 3400+ will work, and cost 3times less.
2nd: 2x 6800Ultra???? Yeah that card is awesome, but 1 is enough. You can play the best games at 1600x1200 everything ON at 120fps........... SLI = waste of money ( a single 6800Ultra works better than 2 6600GT in SLI... so a single Gforce 7th generation card will work better than 2 6800GT in SLI if you are looking to the future)
3rd: The Memory slot I recommended is cheaper and will work better (1x1gb >>> 2x512Mb)

4th: what about monitor, mouse, keyboard, sound system, CD/DVD readers/writers, LAN/modems, etc.??? He would spend 4000$ :Lol:

And now the good things you said:

1st: Thermaltake cases are good. Get one of them!!

2nd: That power supply sounds superb!! Get it!

Well I just have posted my own point of view, which can be wrong.

PSZeTa · Post by **PSZeTa** » 02 Apr 2005, 22:27

^Sparco^ wrote:
PSZeTa wrote:Motherboard: ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe. 185 Dollars.
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 FX-55. 840 Dollars.
Memory: Corsair TWINX Dual Channel 1024MB PC3200 Registered ECC Memory (2 x 512MB). 385 Dollars.
Power Supply: Enermax EG851AX-VH 660Watt 24-Pin Power Supply with Power Factor Correction. 250 Dollars.
GPU: XFX GeForce 6800 Ultra x2. 550 Dollars x 2 = 1100 Dollars.

2840 Dollars..
Damn! Do you think he is millonaire?? If he is, then OK, but that is an awesome waste of money.

1st: to spend 840dollars in a CPU is a crime (in some months that same processor will cost half its today's price). AMD A64 3600+, or even 3400+ will work, and cost 3times less.
2nd: 2x 6800Ultra???? Yeah that card is awesome, but 1 is enough. You can play the best games at 1600x1200 everything ON at 120fps........... SLI = waste of money ( a single 6800Ultra works better than 2 6600GT in SLI... so a single Gforce 7th generation card will work better than 2 6800GT in SLI if you are looking to the future)
3rd: The Memory slot I recommended is cheaper and will work better (1x1gb >>> 2x512Mb)

4th: what about monitor, mouse, keyboard, sound system, CD/DVD readers/writers, LAN/modems, etc.??? He would spend 4000$ :Lol:

And now the good things you said:

1st: Thermaltake cases are good. Get one of them!!

2nd: That power supply sounds superb!! Get it!

Well I just have posted my own point of view, which can be wrong.

1.Do you think the FX-55 is new? That thing is pretty old, and the price has never gone down in that time.

2. You won't be getting near 60 fps with 1600x1200. I'm barely getting 45 fps with my 6800 GT. When the 7 series come out, it doesn't say the first model will be already extremely fast and will be better then 2 6800 Ultras. Is the 6200 better then my previous card, the FX5900 XT? No, not really. It's just that it has improvements and a newer core, that's it. And if you can pay 2 6600 GTs, you don't get those 2, you get the 6800 Ultra, so it's only a waste of money if you can get a faster model for the same price, which won't be released in a few months.

You are talking about looking to the future. You shouldn't when it comes to computer hardware. There will always be a faster model later on, so...

3. The memory slot you recommended is not better. Socket 939 and AMD 64 support Dual Channel, which means with 2 sticks, your memory transfer will be faster. You'll notice this when you start WinXP. My brother and I have about the same specs. My CPU is faster, his GPU is faster. I have 512 mb, he has 1gb. WinXP starts in about 5 seconds at his, mine takes 10.

4. Does he really needs those stuff? He has a computer now does he? + The A8N-SLI has 2 LAN sockets.

^Sparco^ · Post by **^Sparco^** » 02 Apr 2005, 22:48

hmm... nice leason. I won't forget it

(but still disagree with the graphics card thing)

El1jonMC305 · Post by **El1jonMC305** » 03 Apr 2005, 01:45

pszeta thanks alot man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i just got some questions though.

1.) well my PCI Creative Audigy ZS Pro sound card work on that motherboard?

2.) i have a stick of 512 mb of ddr ram can i put that in to that motherboard?

3.)i already have 2 cd roms, when is just for cd's and the other one can read dvds and burn also, can i use those on the new tower?

4.)Am i ready to print this setup and go to tigerdirect and get the parts and build the computer with no problems?

5.)will i be able to run nfsu2 in maximum settings? will i be able to run good animation editing programs(im gunna take home classes on computer animation)

6.) do i need to buy the little thing that connects the video cards together? like it looks like a small square....

7.) will windoes xp pro sp1 work good with the new hardware?

8.) how can i ever repay you!!!!!!!!!!!!

i just remembered i gotta buy a new monitor because i have a 14 or 15 inch lcd sony and it's too small, im planning in buying a 20 inch NEC lcd monitor 699 at tigerdirect, they got a cheaper one though, but u get what u pay for so....

but it's okay because i got a 31 thousand dollar limit anyways.... :P

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications ... 58&CatId=0
another thing!!! is this video card better? well it be compatible for my motherboard im pretty sure it is, so can i get that one instead?

PSZeTa · Post by **PSZeTa** » 03 Apr 2005, 03:52

1. Well, the A8N-SLI Deluxe has a pretty piece of onboard sound. I find it great. It will fit, it has 4 PCI slots.

2. If you can put your RAM stick into the motherboard.. Just try it out with the new other ones together.

3. Yes, you can.

4. I don't know what you case you want. Try looking for a nice one there. About the parts, it depends on if they have it in stock. All parts fit together.

5. NFSU2 is really no problem. A piece of cake for this system. Animation Editing programs? Won't get in any trouble.

6. Don't worry. Everything is included with the motherboard box. From IDE cables to S-ATA, from the bridge connector and other goodies.

7. It should I guess. Shouldn't Windows be working with any PC?

8. Send me a couple of thousand dollars. Just messing with you.

If the ASUS videocard is better? No, it's the same. One difference though, the XFX has a slightly higher corespeed. So it's even faster.

El1jonMC305 · Post by **El1jonMC305** » 03 Apr 2005, 04:13

alright thanks alot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im gunna print the info and have it ready when i have time to go to tigerdirect, i hope it's a huge difference from the comp i have now.

question...

1)will i be okay with my logitech wireless keyboard and wireless optical mouse?

2.) will i be okay with my creative 7.1 surround sound system?

3.)will i be okay with my logitech momo racing wheel?

4.)NOTE: This Video Card requires a connection to your PC's internal power supply in order to operate. <<<<<< what does that mean?

EmptyWords · Post by **EmptyWords** » 03 Apr 2005, 04:50

El1jonMC305 wrote:alright thanks alot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im gunna print the info and have it ready when i have time to go to tigerdirect, i hope it's a huge difference from the comp i have now.

question...

1)will i be okay with my logitech wireless keyboard and wireless optical mouse?

2.) will i be okay with my creative 7.1 surround sound system?

3.)will i be okay with my logitech momo racing wheel?

4.)NOTE: This Video Card requires a connection to your PC's internal power supply in order to operate. <<<<<< what does that mean?

the parts you have should work. and number 4. it just means that you will connect the power supply to the card for it to have enough juice to work.

^Sparco^ · Post by **^Sparco^** » 03 Apr 2005, 15:34

about 2, you need the correct sound hardware... I assume that your new super-mainboard will support 7.1

Anyway, if you install that Soundblaster Audigy ZS Pro t should work fine

El1jonMC305 · Post by **El1jonMC305** » 03 Apr 2005, 18:51

thanks alot guys now i just gotta find time to go to tiger direct buy the stuff, then have time to put it together, i'll take pictures maybe

El1jonMC305 · Post by **El1jonMC305** » 05 Apr 2005, 23:46

i ended up buying a Alienware Area-51 ALX with SLI System.

Processor: IntelÂ® Xeonâ„¢
Processor @ 3.6GHz

Operating System: MicrosoftÂ® WindowsÂ®
XP Professional Edition SP2

Memory: 2GB DDR PC-3200 Registered ECC

Hard Drive: 148 GB 10,000 RPM SATA RAID 0 w/16 MB Cache

Graphics Processor: Dual Nvidia GeForce 6800 Ultra 256 MB DDR3

Sound Card: Creative Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro High Definition 7.1

update**** heres a way close look to what im getting, for 11,200 lmao, u might say it's not worth it .....but if you can get it..why not? =)

Creative Gigaworks THX S750 -7.1 700 watt speakers

Alienware ALX Wireless Optical Desktop Elite, keyboard and mouse

Ultrasone HFI-700 Professional Headphones with S-Logic

and ALOT more stuff including a NEC 30" LCD 3000 Black (monitor) :D

and alot other stuff that im too lazy to type now, but will do later, it's 11,200 worth of gear :shock:

update* heres a way close look, to what im getting:

[1] Area-51Â® ALX with SLI

Warranty: 3-Year AlienCare Toll-Free 24/7 Phone Support with Onsite Service
Operating System: MicrosoftÂ® WindowsÂ® XP Professional with Service Pack 2
AlienRespawn: AlienwareÂ® Respawn Recovery Kit
Chassis: AlienwareÂ® ALX Full-Tower Case - Space Black
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling 510 Deluxe
ALX Heavy Duty Power Cable: AlienwareÂ® ALX System Power Cable
Thermal Management System: AlienwareÂ® ALX Active Liquid Cooling System
Motherboard: AlienwareÂ® X2 SLI-Ready Motherboard
Processor: IntelÂ® Xeonâ„¢ Processor 3.6GHz w/ EM64T 800 MHz FSB w/1MB Cache
Memory: 2GB Dual Channel DDR2 Registered ECC SDRAM at 400MHz
Graphics Processor: Dual NVIDIAÂ® GeForceâ„¢ 6800 Ultra PCI Express 256MB DDR3 with NVIDIA SLI Technology
Video Optimizer: AlienAdrenaline: Video Performance Optimizer
Chassis Upgrades: AlienIceâ„¢ 2.0 Video Cooling System with Accoustic Dampening - Astral Blue
System Drive: Extreme Performance - Serial ATA RAID 0 - 148GB (74GB x 2) Serial ATA 10,000 RPM w/16MB Cache
Optical Drive One: PlextorÂ® PlexWriter Premium 52x32x52x CD-RW Drive
Optical Drive Two: NECÂ® ND-3520 16x Dual Layer DVDÂ±R/W Drive
Sound Card: Creative Sound BlasterÂ® AudigyÂ® 2 ZS Platinum Pro High Definition 7.1 Surround with Dual Firewire (IEEEÂ® 1394)
Network Connection: Integrated High Performance Gigabit Ethernet
ALX High Performance Network Cable: AlienwareÂ® ALX Network Cable
Security Software: Nortonâ„¢ AntiVirusâ„¢ 2005
Automated Support: AlienAutopsy: Automated Technical Support Request System
Power Protection: Opti-UPS ES1500C 1400VA (980W Capacity)
Display One: NEC 30" LCD 3000 Black
Display Two: No Monitor
Speakers: Creative GigaWorksâ„¢ THXÂ® S750 - 7.1 700-Watt Speakers
ALX Wireless Keyboard and Mouse: AlienwareÂ® ALX Wireless Optical Desktop Elite by MicrosoftÂ®
Headphones: Ultrasone HFI-700 Professional Headphones with S-Logicâ„¢
ALX Out Of Box Experience: Exclusive AlienwareÂ® ALX Items
Alienware Exclusive Offers: Gamespot Complete - Free 90-day Trial (a $20.85 value)
Alienware Exclusive Offers: 10% off your next EB Games online purchase
Free Alienware T-Shirt: Free AlienwareÂ® ALX T-Shirt - Black
Free Alienware Mousepad: Free AlienwareÂ® ALX Mousepad (a $19.99 Value!)
Desktop Enhancements: Exclusive AlienGUIse Theme Manager
AlienInspection: AlienInspection - Exclusive Integration and Inspection - $99.99 Value - FREE!

you might say im crazy, and that it's a rip off and what not...but if you can get it...why not? =) i can't wait till receive everything

Sir Ibi · Post by **Sir Ibi** » 05 Apr 2005, 23:57

11,200

!!! WHAT!?? As in ELEVEN THOUSAND, TWO HUNDRED, what dollars???

El1jonMC305 · Post by **El1jonMC305** » 05 Apr 2005, 23:58

yes 11,200..well...11,271.96... lol...DOLLARS