Videocards.. which to buy and whatnot.. simply videocards!

DrewBoi · Post by **DrewBoi** » 11 Apr 2005, 06:15

is there going to be any difference if its PCI-E x16 other than AGP ???

I have to buy some memory and a hard drive first.
so i will look around for better buys and i'll ask my friends for some help also

PSZeTa · Post by **PSZeTa** » 11 Apr 2005, 17:09

Err, yes.

Because if you ram a AGP card in a PCI-E slot, it's likely going to break.

DrewBoi · Post by **DrewBoi** » 11 Apr 2005, 17:27

no i mean by like who fast it is going to preform. be cause i have 2 PCI-E x 16 slots so yea...

im not dumb enough to put a agp card in a pci-e slot...

Triskac · Post by **Triskac** » 11 Apr 2005, 18:38

compare this:
1 x 6800 Ultra in AGP
2 x 6800 Ultra in PCI-E
which one is better

DrewBoi · Post by **DrewBoi** » 11 Apr 2005, 19:19

using SLI is good.. the 2 pci-e cards using SLI is better if you have the power supply for it and some extra fans

Tunerfreak · Post by **Tunerfreak** » 17 Apr 2005, 11:03

Is a NIVIDIA GeForce4 TI 4800 SE graphics card any good when it comes to playing all the latest games? Ive got one and it plays all the nfs's, juiced, gtr and all thoses sorta games on full graphics and resolution without aa. everyone keeps saying its a crappy $100 card that dosnt do **** but nfsu on full graphics and reso? Im confused....

PSZeTa · Post by **PSZeTa** » 17 Apr 2005, 12:01

Play with AA, and you'll what happens.

Tunerfreak · Post by **Tunerfreak** » 18 Apr 2005, 00:43

Yeah aa makes everything smoother and nicer but slows it down but I dont really see the need for it so much. Good card for me cos im not really really serious about gaming. At least I can play them all at the right speed with all the options. Good enough for me.

Stereo · Post by **Stereo** » 18 Apr 2005, 01:42

At least I'm getting a card that can be ran on my mobo. I don't think that the GeForce4 Ti4200 can be run on a KT133 chipset...

I'm getting a FX5200. At least.

Post by **Bojan** » 18 Apr 2005, 09:06

Just a little note: the 5200 performs worse than a 4200.
If your mobo has an agp slot, the 4200 will work on it.

What's wrong with radeon 9500 or 9200?

Just Me · Post by **Just Me** » 18 Apr 2005, 10:05

The only advantage of the 5200 is that is supports DirectX 9. The downside is that it only supports it barely.

The 5200 series was Nvidia not nearly as good as there 4xxxxx series.

Take my advice, and NEVER buy a 5200 series card!

Stereo · Post by **Stereo** » 18 Apr 2005, 15:25

... Too bad, I already ordered it...

Hmm, lets see, my mobo has an AGP slot, does that mean my KT133 series mobo with Athlon800MHz can work with a Radeon X850XT? I bet not... My mobo series is old. So is my CPU.

EmptyWords · Post by **EmptyWords** » 19 Apr 2005, 00:22

i bet probably yeah. the only thing you need is a powerful PSU.

thunderbolt · Post by **thunderbolt** » 19 Apr 2005, 02:03

Stereo wrote:... Too bad, I already ordered it...

Hmm, lets see, my mobo has an AGP slot, does that mean my KT133 series mobo with Athlon800MHz can work with a Radeon X850XT? I bet not... My mobo series is old. So is my CPU.

humm...sounds like your AGP slot might be a 4x instead of the current 8x standard. the two slots are backward compatible, but if you choose to run that card on a 4x slot, then the performance will be slowed because of the smaller banwidth the slot allows.

Stereo · Post by **Stereo** » 19 Apr 2005, 02:36

Lol, my mobo's slot is AGP 4x MAX... Means I can only go up to 4x... EmptyWords, look at my chipset. KT133... 4x AGP is the maximum...

Triskac · Post by **Triskac** » 19 Apr 2005, 08:48

there is really small difference in performance between 4x and 8x AGP

EmptyWords · Post by **EmptyWords** » 20 Apr 2005, 02:14

yes and that small difference is preety much double. 8x is twice as much as 4x. so yeah only minor difference.

Sir Ibi · Post by **Sir Ibi** » 20 Apr 2005, 03:51

lol, yeah i agree only minor differences there. Anyway i kinda need some advice, perhaps someone can help me out here... i have an old DELL PC, which i'm planning to give to my cousin, just for a basic setup for a first PC, but I was planning to upgrade the gfx card for hime. It only has a PCI slot, yes PCI, not PCI-E, just plain old PCI. Does anyone know of any good graphics card for PCI slots, any help would be cool, thanks.

DrewBoi · Post by **DrewBoi** » 20 Apr 2005, 04:07

hmmmm damn..... i have 1 stuck in my old ass sony viao... lemme look... when we bought it was like $100 and it was ok.. but it didnt work well with underground 1... so it suks IMO...i dont know the name or specs... doesnt help u much...

EDIT: I went to Newegg for some ideas... here they are http://www.newegg.com/app/searchProduct ... nerCata=48

Dragon-of-Rune · Post by **Dragon-of-Rune** » 26 Apr 2005, 11:07

Wich is better a Ati Radeon 9800Pro 128mb or a Ati x700 pci-e 256mb

Triskac · Post by **Triskac** » 26 Apr 2005, 11:57

EmptyWords wrote:yes and that small difference is preety much double. 8x is twice as much as 4x. so yeah only minor difference.

you're not right

EDIT: i got this from one forum:

I just ran some basic test between 4x AGP and 8X AGP on my system.

Test #1= 8X AGP
3D Mark 2000= 20,744
3D Mark 2001= 23,817
3D Mark 2003= 12,254

I went into my bios and set my AGP buss to 4X, verified in driver control panel & benchmark details. I wasn't able to test at 2X AGP because my MB has no setting for 2X. I know in the past there wasn't much difference between 2X & 4X AGP.

Test #2= 4X AGP
3D Mark 2000= 20,143
3D Mark 2001= 23,711
3D mark 2003= 12,211

As you can see the difference between 4X AGP & 8X AGP is nothing according to these popular benchmarks

thunderbolt · Post by **thunderbolt** » 26 Apr 2005, 12:42

Triskac wrote:
EmptyWords wrote:yes and that small difference is preety much double. 8x is twice as much as 4x. so yeah only minor difference.
you're not right

EDIT: i got this from one forum:

I just ran some basic test between 4x AGP and 8X AGP on my system.

Test #1= 8X AGP
3D Mark 2000= 20,744
3D Mark 2001= 23,817
3D Mark 2003= 12,254

I went into my bios and set my AGP buss to 4X, verified in driver control panel & benchmark details. I wasn't able to test at 2X AGP because my MB has no setting for 2X. I know in the past there wasn't much difference between 2X & 4X AGP.

Test #2= 4X AGP
3D Mark 2000= 20,143
3D Mark 2001= 23,711
3D mark 2003= 12,211

As you can see the difference between 4X AGP & 8X AGP is nothing according to these popular benchmarks

of course the motherboard would have no setting for AGP2x because the 2x slot is a completely different slot design

.

i know that when the 8x standard was first rolled out, it only had as much capability as AGP4x cards. the maximum bandwidth for AGP4x cards is 1066MB/s at a speed of 266MHz and the 8x slot can push twice the amount of data at a clock speed twice as fast.

the reason for the small differences between each slot is because the actual graphic chip has used up all of its resources and at that clock speed...simply can handle no more. so the problem isnt really the slot themselves, its the GPU itself thats limiting the benchmark results.
which is also why the difference as of now between PCI-E and AGP8x is also very minor.
the processing capabilities of the cards themselves are pushed to the limits which means no matter how fast the data can be provided. the graphics chip just cant handle any more. and as you know, PCI-E is able to provide a 4GB/s bandwidth bi-directionally(data can flow in and out of the card at the same speed).

one day i'm sure PCI-E chips will push far ahead of AGP8x chips, but meanwhile, even todays games cannot exhaust the bandwidth provided by AGP4x chips.

Triskac · Post by **Triskac** » 26 Apr 2005, 12:56

one day i'm sure PCI-E chips will push far ahead of AGP8x chips, but meanwhile, even todays games cannot exhaust the bandwidth provided by AGP4x chips.

and i hope it will happen very soon

Dragon-of-Rune · Post by **Dragon-of-Rune** » 28 Apr 2005, 10:57

I am gona buy a third system but i want to know wich graphics card is better i can choose a FX5200 128mb or FX5300 128mb and the price off the systems stay's the same no matter what i choose, so some advice from people who have one off those's cards is appriciated.

DrewBoi · Post by **DrewBoi** » 30 Apr 2005, 06:00

Triskac wrote:
one day i'm sure PCI-E chips will push far ahead of AGP8x chips, but meanwhile, even todays games cannot exhaust the bandwidth provided by AGP4x chips.
and i hope it will happen very soon

I read that a pci-e x16 is actually faster than AGP 8x.. it was in PC Magazine. I read it somewhere, when i find it, i will scann it...